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Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

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Re: Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

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In the US market, where union participation is also very low, it's weird to me that this is an important reason people stay in their jobs, may influence what kind of jobs you take (full time vs contracting?), but: - job offers generally do not want to get into details on the health insurance offering. it's not a main "competition" point - except when subject to some kind of union negotiated contract, the employer can…

And in the US a new worker can only join the healthcare plan during certain times of year! New workers often have to wait months with a health insurance gap before they can get on the new plan.

I am not an expert but I am pretty sure changing a job is a "qualified life event" that allows an out-of-band change. I hate privatized insurance but I didn't think this thing in particular was a problem.

Re: Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

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Typically, all single payer medical cost schemes are based on government facilities and intervention. Many Americans have little faith in their government to do anything, much less handle there medical care costs. This is why the employer model still exists.

Americans are different - they see themselves as not Europe or Asians - and they are proud of that. The "rugged individual" is still an ideal many cling to as part of their identity.

Re: Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

#73

This is less about private healthcare and more about how employer-provided healthcare is tax advantaged. Credits and tax breaks should go to the individual so they can choose and keep their insurance through different jobs.

I don't get why decoupling insurance from employment isn't a bigger part of the healthcare reform discourse. It's the most obvious, easiest, lowest hanging fruit for improving the US healthcare system, and almost uniquely politically acceptable to both Democratic and Republican voters. Decoupling also doesn't entail disrupting any of the established incumbents (pharma, AMA, insurance companies, etc.) who typically kill any reform. The policy is also arguably market-oriented, or at least is not a form of government intervention that would otherwise offend Republicans, yet benefits individuals over large companies so can appeal to Dems too.

The Republicans have utterly failed to offer *any* alternative at all to Obamacare after 16 years, which is insane for many reasons, but especially considering that they could have put decoupling insurance from employment at the heart of an alternative (even more than the ACA) market-oriented reform. Letting individuals choose their own insurance would put more pressure on insurance companies to actually deliver quality care because, unlike employers, individuals are highly sensitive to the quality of care they receive and are more likely to switch insurers if the insurer unreasonably denies claims or otherwise fails to deliver a decent product. On the other side, individuals are also more sensitive to costs so with greater control over their plan choices would be more able to pick plans that are structured to match their anticipated costs.

In other words, individual insurance would improve the functioning of the market, which should in theory appeal to Republicans. Instead, they only focus on making individuals pay more at the point of care, on the theory that cost-sharing discourages insured people from over-consuming healthcare. Yet they don't think about how the current system makes it impossible for individuals to be truly cost sensitive when selecting plans.

I would guess the Republicans haven't adopted the idea because they are not really in favor of free markets, they are in bed with big business, and employer-provided insurance tends to favor larger companies that can demand better terms from insurers, that can amortize the HR overhead over a larger number of employees, and that tend to benefit disproportionately from lower labor mobility compared to small business (people are more likely to be involuntarily locked into a big company job for security than at a small business, and it's harder for people who are worried about maintaining quality healthcare access to move to a startup, reducing the competition experienced by the bigger companies).

Re: Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

#74

Good article in general but such a misleading headline and framing. The problem, as described in the article's body, is employer-provided health insurance, not private healthcare.

There are just so many middle steps that are unnecessary, though I think the easiest policy lever is simply mandatory price transparencies, with zero exceptions.

Re: Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in the US a new worker can only join the healthcare plan during certain times of year! New workers often have to wait months with a health insurance gap before they can get on the new plan.

That's not true. If you're new there's a special enrollment period right after you start.

That's up to the new employer. Federal law only requires special enrollment within 90 days of hire. So technically there can be up to a 3 month gap.

In practice, that is very rare. Usually new coverage becomes effective on the hire date.

Workers changing jobs often just elect for COBRA or selecting a temporary subsidized ACA plan to bridge the gap though. Nobody is really forced to go without coverage.

Re: Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the title gave me whiplash because I went in expecting an argument for socialized healthcare, then read a couple paragraphs and realized the article was actually presenting an argument against government meddling in the healthcare industry, then read further and realized it was actually using the problems created by government meddling in the healthcare industry to argue for more government meddling.

"the thing I miss most is the NHS. It’s been treated like a political football since I left and is apparently a shell of its former self — not because the idea is bad and can’t work but because conservative politicians, some of whom have received funding from private healthcare companies, have deliberately sabotaged it." really it could not be because government is bad at managing massive programs and provides no inc…

Real truth is that health care just is massively expensive. Any efficiency gains that are also somewhat limited have been overshot by more "products".

Nurses and doctors can only handle so many patients. This has not increased that much compared to say farming or most other areas. And while there has been some gains. There is also lot more produces and costs of those.

Re: Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the title gave me whiplash because I went in expecting an argument for socialized healthcare, then read a couple paragraphs and realized the article was actually presenting an argument against government meddling in the healthcare industry, then read further and realized it was actually using the problems created by government meddling in the healthcare industry to argue for more government meddling.

"the thing I miss most is the NHS. It’s been treated like a political football since I left and is apparently a shell of its former self — not because the idea is bad and can’t work but because conservative politicians, some of whom have received funding from private healthcare companies, have deliberately sabotaged it." really it could not be because government is bad at managing massive programs and provides no inc…

Seeing how the US GOP has intentionally sabotaged the USPS with fiscal responsibility burdens unlike any other agency, then declare it fiscally untenable and in need of privatization: yes, I completely believe it possible conservatives will sabotage the function of government in order to demonstrate to voters that government is ineffective.

Re: Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

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This is less about private healthcare and more about how employer-provided healthcare is tax advantaged. Credits and tax breaks should go to the individual so they can choose and keep their insurance through different jobs.

You can deduct some of your medical expenses. I think it’s over 7.5% of your AGI. But tax deduction or not isn’t what makes individual health insurance so expensive. When you have employer provided health insurance you’re in a completely different risk pool than people buying on the open market.

> completely different risk pool

And that's the issue, we need regulation to break the quid pro quo system we have right now, and an innovative enterprise to design and sell a realistic risk pool for the public.

That might look like the government requiring freedom of choice in your employer healthcare plan -- eg: the employer has to allow you to port a defined contribution amount to any healthcare plan you prefer, including simply taking the money as salary (disincentivized by taxation though).

It might look like regulating mandatory profit caps on high priced insurance -- meaning if you overpay for your actual risk you get a refund, or maybe free months on the plan etc.

I don't want the government to be the insurance/solution, I want them to set standards that make the game fair and companies can play if they want.

Re: Private healthcare makes industries less innovative. It's time for change

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Good article in general but such a misleading headline and framing. The problem, as described in the article's body, is employer-provided health insurance, not private healthcare.

So how would private healthcare happen without employer provided insurance?
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