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OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Then I am naive, but I think they cared before they got powerful and chatgpt release.

so back when the stakes were low to non-existant? If your principles are only available on display when there is no consequence, they arnt your principles, they are a mask.

100% this. OpenAI created a for-profit subsidy (that is now an SBC and only controlled 26% by the original non-profit). Guess when they did that? After GPT-2 (Feb 2019) and before GPT-3 (June 2020). Not remotely surprising they started the move to for-profit as soon as they had something they thought could be profitable. Then in 2025 they switched to an SBC, dropped the non-profit control well below 50% and completely got rid of the profit cap. Just in time for the IPO talk. It was a mask the whole time.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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>Internet Archive got the exact opposite outcome in court for doing the exact same thing No, it's not the same thing. Contrary to what many people think, "fair use" isn't something you can invoke to do whatever copyright infringement you want. The judge is supposed to consider several factors, one of which is whether the work was "transformative". In google's case it was offering search results. Internet archive was…

That’s not true. 1. Libraries have used Authors Guild as legal cover to lend out ebooks for paper books that they own. 2. Google provided access to the whole book, that’s why they got sued. If I run a book through AES, that’s pretty transformative too!

>1. Libraries have used Authors Guild as legal cover to lend out ebooks for paper books that they own

And has this been tested in court? After all, you see people uploading tv shows on youtube, then pasting a snippet of fair use in the description. That doesn't make it true. If anything, the unfavorable ruling for internet archive suggests libraries were incorrect with their interpretation of the law.

>2. Google provided access to the whole book, that’s why they got sued.

No it didn't. From wikipedia:

"For works still under copyright, Google scanned and entered the whole work into their searchable database, but only provided "snippet views" of the scanned pages in search results to users."

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Then you're not very pro open source models.

"I'm pro self defense but don't want everyone to have an ICBM." "Then you're not pro self defense!"

you are not pro self defense if you want just a few to have ICBM.

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>We will take it, we won't pay for it, and we will use it to replace you and make ourselves rich The whole point of fair use (which courts have so far ruled AI training is) is that you don't have to ask for permission or pay them for it.

> The whole point of fair use (which courts have so far ruled AI training is) is that you don't have to ask for permission or pay them for it. Is that settled law? I doubt it. And IMHO, AI training violates the spirit of fair use. It's not really a method of criticism or commentary. It's a system to use people's own work to undermine their ability to economically subsist on that work. Though how about this for a prop…

> Is that settled law?

It seems to be the fairly consistent approach of trial courts addressing the question under different soecific fact patterns in different contexts; its not “settled law” in the sense of nationally binding precedent (which would take either a Supreme Court ruling kr separate appellate rulings in every circuit).

> And IMHO, AI training violates the spirit of fair use. It's not really a method of criticism or commentary.

Plenty of transformative uses that have been held to be fair use are not criticism or commentary, and AI training is a transformative use where, for any individual work used, the end product is both a very different class of work and the used work indiviudally has very small impact on the final work.

> It's a system to use people's own work to undermine their ability to economically subsist on that work.

Courts seem to disagree that this is generally the case with AI training as such. (And AI training being fair use would not make the use of models to create works that would otherwise be infringing copies with that function through inference any less infringing.)

> Though how about this for a proposed exception: you can AI train on anything as fair use: only if release your model and weights public domain open source.

You are, of course, free to try to convince Congress to amend copyright law to apply that rule (though since the current statutory form of the fair use rule is itself a legislative adoption that follows pre-existing court rulings on fair use as a Constitutional limit on the copyright power stemming from the First Amendment, Congress may not actually have the power to narrow it that way.)

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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You know what? That is fine based merely on recent openai/hugginface incident ( after all, they needed open weights model to actually troubleshoot it, because 'safe' one did not let em ). Let it all burn:D edit: And lets hope we learn a lesson.

I would rather we not lose the AI race so idiotically. Winning the AI race means letting OpenAI and Anthropic face market forces. Edit: Clearly other companies are doing well. ElevenLabs, Runway, FAL, RunPod, CoreWeave, Lambda, BaseTen, Lovable. These are real companies that didn't raise absurd amounts of capital. They've grown revenues at a solid clip, provide real value, and didn't go off the deep end with fundrais…

CoreWeave and Lambda have both raised absurd amounts of money, in the form of bank loans.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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And to think I got warned in another post that I need to be nicer/more professional in discussing this topic. Yeah. Nah. Bringing out the same drum I’ve been banging for years now , these companies have never actually cared about ensuring safe AI, regulation, or ensuring it benefits all humanity. It has always, always , been about control and their profit margins. Their actions have never reflected any sort of positi…

Anyone who thinks these companies ever cared about any of that is naive.

How about Volvo giving away their patented 3-point safety belt design for free to all competitors?

https://techandmedialaw.com/open-patent-rights-for-seatbelts...

(edit: sorry, re-reading your comment you were more directly referring to the AI companies and this context, I interpreted this more generally on my first glance)

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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This is such a naive take. What happens when "those files on a USB drive" turn into a zero day button that can harm millions of people? What happens when they help authoritarian dictatorships build nuclear weapons? What happens when they teach average people the steps needed to make a bioweapon at home? Every society restricts dangerous capabilities at the end of the day, because most people realize there is a crosso…

Some very bad people already have a "button that can harm millions of people". Some more very bad people are building them. This democratizes that ability. Might be good. Might be bad. Might be both. Fuck you for thinking you know better than everyone else.

Thank you so much for saying what I'd like to without getting flagged.

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I have no reason to care about the interests of these companies. My interests are best served with a competitive selection of open weights models available for my use. OpenAI has the year-old GPT-OSS, and Anthropic has never released any open weights models. Meanwhile, other companies are delivering a steady stream of high-quality open weights models every month, and I'm not going to stop using them just because some…

I can’t say this enough… Expect the tap on open models to slow and eventually disappear. They don’t exist for altruistic reasons. It’s peculiar to current conditions.

Unlike Claude Fable, once an open weights model is released, it's available forever (or at least until every copy is lost or deleted, which won't be soon).

Open weights models are already great, and the ones that are already released will continue to be just as good as they are today even if newer versions are released at a different speed in the future.

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bad for the US economy but good for the World economy.

> bad for the US economy Almost certainly not in the long term. If AI is a productivity enhancer, which I think we have evidence for, then the American economy’s heft (and continuing dynamism) get a tailwind. The minority of the new, leveraged economy getting hit will be a short-term painful adjustment, but it need not be anything more.

The longer the US AI strategy continues to be to bet on openai/anthropic the bigger it will be the US economy impact. The US bounced back from the dotcom crash and the 2008 crash, it does not mean it will bounce back after an AI crash.

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They're attitude is more "this is fair use" which, according to all precedent, is probably true in most cases (unless the models actually start regurgitating huge parts of the Copyrighted material without a license). Of course, distillation is also fair use under Copyright law. Copyright was never meant to be a moral framework. It was always a practical framework designed to incentivize publishing that would ultimate…

Was it really "designed to incentivize" anything? Or was it introduced to protect a powerful, influential business model? Looking at how laws are passed now, I know which explanation I find more congruent.

I think the expansion of terms over time is a bit damning, but originally the term was very pro-public-domain (sometimes as low as 7 years): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_copyright#/media/Fi...
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