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AI Companies Are Trying to Hide a Staggering Amount of Debt

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Re: AI Companies Are Trying to Hide a Staggering Amount of Debt

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Do they? Is a company with $200 billion annual revenue and earnings (EBITDA) of $100 billion having $420 billion of off-balance-sheet debt really staggering? In many other industries that would be a perfectly normal amount of debt to have. It's only unusual because we are used to tech companies having so much cash on hand they don't know where to put it

It is not just that they have the debt, it. is they are trying to hide the debt. Why would a legitimate company try to hide their debt?

Re: AI Companies Are Trying to Hide a Staggering Amount of Debt

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As long as this debt does not make it into life insurance and pension funds, we are fine. The trouble is that private credit is taking control of some life insurance companies and off-loads this debt to these. When these fail, it will become everyone's problem. > Risks to financial stability may also stem from entities with particularly high exposure to private credit markets, such as insurers influenced by private e…

Couldn't it be a problem given the concentration of the S&P in these companies?

At this point these companies make up a huge portion of 401k's for a huge chunk of Americans. How would it affect retirees if they dropped 40-50%, likely taking the market with them?

Re: AI Companies Are Trying to Hide a Staggering Amount of Debt

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post #61

Do they? Is a company with $200 billion annual revenue and earnings (EBITDA) of $100 billion having $420 billion of off-balance-sheet debt really staggering? In many other industries that would be a perfectly normal amount of debt to have. It's only unusual because we are used to tech companies having so much cash on hand they don't know where to put it

It is not just that they have the debt, it. is they are trying to hide the debt. Why would a legitimate company try to hide their debt?

> is they are trying to hide the debt.

They aren't hiding it though. The contracts are recorded in regular filings.

Re: AI Companies Are Trying to Hide a Staggering Amount of Debt

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Do they? Is a company with $200 billion annual revenue and earnings (EBITDA) of $100 billion having $420 billion of off-balance-sheet debt really staggering? In many other industries that would be a perfectly normal amount of debt to have. It's only unusual because we are used to tech companies having so much cash on hand they don't know where to put it

These companies have valuations reflecting a debt light business. At a minimum, 420 billion in debt is enough to change the stock price by 10-20%. If the company plans to add another 400 billion in debt you need to give it the side eye.

If 50 billion in revenue is from other companies debt spending… then You have a problem.

Re: AI Companies Are Trying to Hide a Staggering Amount of Debt

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post #61

Do they? Is a company with $200 billion annual revenue and earnings (EBITDA) of $100 billion having $420 billion of off-balance-sheet debt really staggering? In many other industries that would be a perfectly normal amount of debt to have. It's only unusual because we are used to tech companies having so much cash on hand they don't know where to put it

It is not just that they have the debt, it. is they are trying to hide the debt. Why would a legitimate company try to hide their debt?

Because they have even more debt than the debt we assume they’re trying to hide

Re: AI Companies Are Trying to Hide a Staggering Amount of Debt

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Really feels like the govt + industry, through protectionism and fear-mongering, are propping up a "Too big to fail" situation. Long term, I think the best thing the economy could do is to make training on model outputs fair-use, as suggested by Ben Thompson[1]. Short of that, the companies should enter into distillation agreements with other US labs to let them make near-Fable models. As it stands now, the companies…

> Long term, I think the best thing the economy could do is to make training on model outputs fair-use

AI outputs have been ruled as not even copyrightable, isn't that even better than fair use?

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