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OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't help how the us gov is saying Kimi 3 stole IP of Fable even though it's not possible to distill Fable in 1 month.

That's wild. It was only 15 days. It would have been impossible to gather enough data AND clean it up AND train AND do post training in just 15 days. edit: the Anthropic employee downvotes are coming in now. This was +8, now it's +3.

Then it's a case of trying to uphold the narrative?

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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And to think I got warned in another post that I need to be nicer/more professional in discussing this topic. Yeah. Nah. Bringing out the same drum I’ve been banging for years now , these companies have never actually cared about ensuring safe AI, regulation, or ensuring it benefits all humanity. It has always, always , been about control and their profit margins. Their actions have never reflected any sort of positi…

>And to think I got warned in another post that I need to be nicer/more professional in discussing this topic.

it wasn't really "be nicer" and im surprised that was your takeaway; your last comment which was flagged had no substance. it was boring. ("i hate american aitechbros". neat.) at least this comment has some conversation starter in it.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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post #40

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The point of regulation in Europe is usually to protect people. Regulation in the US seems to be done with the purpose of protection companies. I'm not 100% sure, but this feels non-ideal for most people.

You mean like Chat Control 2.0, by which ordinary people are targeted and politicians are exempt?

Many examples of when this is not seemingly the goal, hence the "usually". Some people suck, everywhere, and sometimes they end up with power to enact things, this happens everywhere, Europe is probably no better. Hopefully the institutions we've built up and continue to build, are more resilient when the future real tests come though, so far they haven't really been put under real stress.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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You know what? That is fine based merely on recent openai/hugginface incident ( after all, they needed open weights model to actually troubleshoot it, because 'safe' one did not let em ). Let it all burn:D edit: And lets hope we learn a lesson.

> And lets hope we learn a lesson. That is the last thing that will happen. We don't seem to ever learn a lesson.

2008 could have been that time :(

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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There is nothing these big tech companies hate more than competition. It took Google, Apple and M$ long long time to establish their monopolies. OpenAI and Anthropic are trying to speed run it.

> nothing these big tech companies hate more than competition

Their users? (Not to be confused with their users' money)

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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I’m in a bubble so I may not see the big picture, but I feel like these guys are completely destroying any kind of credibility they had.

Anthropic especially has this arrogant, “we’re smarter than you”, communication style, and acts like they’re serving some higher purpose (to the point of absurdity in some cases like “model welfare”) - I think part of all this might be the EA roots but I’m not sure. But then they get a little competition and suddenly they’re a little tattle-tale running to the government looking to artificially preserve their advantage. I’ve seen nobody who doesn’t see the naked self interest. There’s no mission, not higher purpose, not even competitive spirit, just some people that were on top and can’t handle the idea that they weren’t as special as they thought. It’s going to bite them in the long run, we’ll probably get some politically motivated legislation, but the cats out of the bag, they’ve lost all credibility and don’t even have a uniquely competitive model anymore, they’ll end up as just another also-ran.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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idk if its competition?? if tech evolution from ability to distill from libgen to ability to distill from another closed source model means the closed weights models collapse, maybe claude/ openai can still evolve using ability to train further with chat logs from their users...but i think if someone makes algo that can fine tune open model on their own business logic/codebase/internal processes that is what most companies and customers want, they dont need or use 90% of the weights anyway only those that are relevant to their business processes,,then company will pay for optimized server hardware still but on their own weights if that is where they can get good tps. its always good if u own ur own weights and can fine tune but that is priveledge rn limited to large corporations not small business

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of regulation in Europe is usually to protect people. Regulation in the US seems to be done with the purpose of protection companies. I'm not 100% sure, but this feels non-ideal for most people.

To take the point further, the US still protects people. It's just that the people tend to exclusively inhabit the top 0.1% or 0.01% quantiles.

More like the top ~35%, but it's taboo to talk about that.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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post #39

"Why it matters: ... The big picture: ... Zoom in:... Zoom out:..." I wonder if they used an American or Chinese LLM to write this article?

Yeah this makes it unreadable for me, immediately distracted by how stupid it is and lose interest in the article. As someone else noted, it’s people who think they are writing for an “executive” audience that have never been within 100 feet of an executive.

I bounced off that at first, too, but I'm glad I revisited. It's exactly what I wanted from most news. All the relevant information up front. None of the bullshit of regular news reporting.
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