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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by thrance »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #78
danpalmer wrote: post #5

Why? Banning abuse is fine, and disliking Cryptocurrency projects at a moral level is fine, but running a coffee hosting service and putting your moral judgements on projects like this just seems childish and unserious. I'm also apparently banned from reading the article, despite having no previous usage of Codeberg or any history with the project, so I can't even see their reasoning.

> Why? The impetus makes sense. Crypto is a hive of scams. It makes sense for honest people to want safeguards between their names and those folks. The problem is this seems to have been implemented with zero attention to detail.

We've had enough time with crypto as a technology to see that it provides strictly negative value to the world. Banning all related projects wholesale is not unreasonable, in my book.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by loeg »

iamnothere wrote: post #169
loeg wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes? Every hosting provider should be considering what they want to host. Of course it's fine for providers to take some sort of speech maximalism stance if they want to , but it is also reasonable not to.

So you think Codeberg should not host projects in the categories I listed? Or if you think they should, should they also provide guarantees to projects that the rules will not be suddenly changed, disrupting the project and community? If not, and you’re a developer, why would you want to host there?

I think Codeberg should do whatever they want; I'm not involved.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by iamnothere »

inigyou wrote: post #447
TobTobXX wrote: post #341

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No, I think both, political and apolitical decisions can exist. If you ban a project because its CI pipeline mines crypto and that ia a drain on your server, it is an apolitical argument. If you ban a project because it drains recources because an AI agent is commutting multiple times a second, that is apolitical. If you ban a project, because it hosts content that doesn't align with your ideals since it uses cryptoc…

Is the set of acceptable uses for shared infrastructure not a political question? What's different between mining crypto on a free CI server, letting my cows eat all the grass at the park, or dumping industrial waste into the river?

Most people distinguish practical questions from normative questions. Practical questions may have some small political component, but usually it’s not useful or constructive to consider them as political issues.

Some practical questions have an obvious political dimension, in which case it’s fair to consider that component, but people will often argue over whether the question is “political enough” to justify debate. To deal with this, you need processes to ensure that debate is contained but not overly restricted on this kind of issue.

Making every question political is a trick right out of the OSS Simple Sabotage Field Manual. Whether to pay the hosting bill shouldn’t be a political question. Whether to change hosts may or may not be, depending on the reasoning.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by RamblingCTO »

inigyou wrote: post #547
RamblingCTO wrote: post #530

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Even then you had IRC, BB etc.

Each group had their own ones. IRC started with one big network but was fragmented by channel. BBs were always very decentralised.

I know, that's not what I'm arguing. Fragmented != walled garden

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by surgical_fire »

tarpitt wrote: post #508
surgical_fire wrote: post #506

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Codeberg is based on Berlin, Germany. Germany doesn't have a "Freedom of Speech" first amendment. As far as I know that is endemic to the US. If you dislike their stance you can host your cryptocurrency scam elsewhere, there is no shortage of git hosting services.

I didn't say it violated the first ammendment. I said it violated the principle of free speech. It's the same principle that justifies your ability to post in this discussion here, right now, despite the fact that you don't believe in it yourself. Maybe we should campaign to ban all left-wing aligned projects from all major git hosting services. No big deal right? After all they can just go somewhere else. No, clearl…

> It's the same principle that justifies your ability to post in this discussion here, right now, despite the fact that you don't believe in it yourself.

HN has rules. I can be banned if I violate them.

It seems this very site does not uphold the free speech principle all that much.

> Maybe we should campaign to ban all left-wing aligned projects from all major git hosting services.

Sure, if it suits them. Fine by me. I believe in freedom of association.

There are some limitations for certain public services to avoid discrimination and segregation, but apart for that, I don't care.

In fact, I host my own Gitea instance for my private projects.

> But I say this to demonstrate that your ability operate in society at large depends on the same principle of free speech that you do not extend to others.

It absolutely does not. Speech was not completely free in any country I lived in, and society worked out fine.

There is a degree of freedom within the democratic framework of those countries, but there are absolutely rules limiting speech. And it is fine, societies are all about compromises.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Oxodao »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #559
mlrtime wrote: post #494

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The problem is they can change their mind at a whim and all of a sudden you are on the other side of what they care about. Not worth the risk, I'd say don't use them.

And go where instead? GitHub?

host your own. Codeberg is literally based on Forgejo you can setup on your own

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by inigyou »

iamnothere wrote: post #552
inigyou wrote: post #475

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Tough. The world is fuzzy and nondescript. Platform says no porn, you ask if one bare nipple is porn. Platform says English only, you ask if it's okay to use loanwords. These would be good questions if you were programming a computer, but dumb questions to ask about a judge.

The real world (as in society) has labyrinthine processes and procedures, with multiple checks and balances, designed to ensure that justice is at least partially served. Codeberg appears to lack this. And nations with civil law systems would disagree with your premise. Laws in these systems are expected to be clearly written without excessive room for interpretation. There are obviously still grey areas, but the sys…

Has any enforcement action occurred based on new ToS yet?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by curiousObject »

sunshine-o wrote: post #521
bArray wrote: post #367

I don't think you want to store your source code in a place where they ban projects based on politics [1]: > Allowing these projects is not a neutral stance; the effects to the environment are severe. The "DarkFi" (seemingly some crypto designed for criminals, citing an FBI director) project for example uses a "PoW blockchain" (per their readme). PoW (Proof-Of-Work) projects waste an astonishing amount of computation…

Yes if you compare a proof of stake blockchains (most of them) and the banking industry, crypto has a far smaller environmental footprint. Ethereum (since PoS) was designed to allow anybody to run a validator or even a full node out of modest hardware. The result is that the entire network probably has a smaller footprint than a single small/medium size bank.

>the entire network probably has a smaller footprint than a single small/medium size bank

What research or statistics can you suggest to bolster this argument?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by iamnothere »

inigyou wrote: post #567
iamnothere wrote: post #552

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real world (as in society) has labyrinthine processes and procedures, with multiple checks and balances, designed to ensure that justice is at least partially served. Codeberg appears to lack this. And nations with civil law systems would disagree with your premise. Laws in these systems are expected to be clearly written without excessive room for interpretation. There are obviously still grey areas, but the sys…

Has any enforcement action occurred based on new ToS yet?

Not to my knowledge, but without a structured framework for those decisions, I have little confidence that enforcement will remain fair and even-handed moving forward. I also suspect that the ambiguity of the “reputation” clause will be abused in the future.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by conartist6 »

iamnothere wrote: post #532
stackghost wrote: post #353

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>To me, this all sounds like the kind of fuzzy reasoning and nondescript language that turns communities into popularity contests and backstabbing competitions. Welcome to society. There is no such thing as a meritocracy.

Fortunately, some of us have this cool thing called intelligence, which allows us to build unique spaces that have different rules from the norm.

I love that way of thinking, but for me it's not intelligence but rather philosophy, community, and care (three things LLMs can mimic, but ultimately lack to an even greater degree than they lack intelligence)
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