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Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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Re: Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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Post by jubilanti »

carlosjobim wrote: post #91
cube00 wrote: post #31

For example, automotive technicians and industrial mechanics use AI to interpret complex test results, debug electrical wiring, and inspect machinery for wear. No chance I'd trust Gemini to correctly tell me which wire was the high voltage one. You're absolutely right! I apologize for providing a factually incorrect explanation. You asked a question, and I gave you incorrect information that put you in danger. That f…

That's not how AI or any kind of assistance is to be used. It's there to double-check and alert you to any possible mistakes you've made. You still have to use your own judgement. Have you never asked a person to take a look at some of your work? Did that mean that you have to follow and obey all of their advice?

Sounds a lot like "You're holding it wrong."

Re: Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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Post by xnx »

gwbas1c wrote: post #55

In the bolded text, the "n"s are lighter grey. Anyone know why they did this? Once I saw it, it became too distracting.

Good eye! If you zoom in the text to a very large size, it looks like the "n" characters have a strange internal border or stroke?

Re: Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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Post by creaturemachine »

Xalutiono wrote: post #81
malfist wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My company is a two digit billion dollar revenue company in the top 100. The company ranked 100th in the top 100 companies by revenue is Eli Lilly and they make 45 billion in revenue. I don't believe you.

My company i work for is real, normal big global company. Not sure if its really top 100 or top 150, I checked google and the lists again i can find it in one i can't find it in the top 100 in the other. Shouldn't matter though the 2 digit billion dollar revenue is true and the amount spend on tokens is true too. Everyone has access to claude, we get reminded regulalry to invest time into using AI.

> real, normal big global company.

Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-Net?

Re: Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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Post by Xalutiono »

ofjcihen wrote: post #12

Look, say what you will about Ed but when you compare his analysis against numbers and data like what we see from Google here you can’t help but see a difference https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-openai-bubble/

It was a lot to read and I do not understand the direct relation to the numbers in the google blog at all.

You wanna elaborate?

Re: Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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Post by ACCount37 »

ofjcihen wrote: post #108
ACCount37 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I will say what I want: I'd trust Sam Altman to provide accurate, unbiased information about the present and the future of AI tech before I would trust Ed Zitron to do the same. And no, I wouldn't actually trust Sam "King of the Cannibals" Altman. But I would still expect him to start with far, far more accurate data, and distort it a lot less to suit his narrative than Zitron would. That's how low the bar is.…

That’s fair, but let me ask, how do you answer the numbers that Ed provides? Sure, Ed’s making some kind of money off of subscriptions. Yeah, he’s a personality. But to ignore the deep comparisons, numbers and data that he gathers and provides to back up his analysis feels like sticking your head in the sand. There are other banks and financial entities that are echoing his concerns as well.

The "numbers and data" are cooked to the limits of available sources, and then twisted further by conjecture and interpretation to lend support to the conclusions they still wouldn't readily support.

As a ready-made example: the "AI models are unprofitable, API inference is subsidized, OpenAI is naked" line he keeps stressing. That doesn't seem to be likely even on the basic napkin math estimates. And is also repeatedly refuted by both AI company officials and various AI industry insiders - of varying trustworthiness, and with different incentives.

Having "the numbers" isn't the same as having objectivity, and again: I'd trust Altman to have a semblance of objectivity before I would trust Zitron.

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Post by Xalutiono »

ofjcihen wrote: post #108
ACCount37 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look, I will say what I want: I'd trust Sam Altman to provide accurate, unbiased information about the present and the future of AI tech before I would trust Ed Zitron to do the same. And no, I wouldn't actually trust Sam "King of the Cannibals" Altman. But I would still expect him to start with far, far more accurate data, and distort it a lot less to suit his narrative than Zitron would. That's how low the bar is.…

That’s fair, but let me ask, how do you answer the numbers that Ed provides? Sure, Ed’s making some kind of money off of subscriptions. Yeah, he’s a personality. But to ignore the deep comparisons, numbers and data that he gathers and provides to back up his analysis feels like sticking your head in the sand. There are other banks and financial entities that are echoing his concerns as well.

If you only focus on ai bubble, look at google / Alphabets, Microsoft, Amazon and Metas revenue numbers. They literaly can just afford it

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Post by unknownfuture »

rayiner wrote: post #68
unknownfuture wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see a reason to believe any CEO, past or present, has had the ability to accurately predict the future. Luck and foresight look the same when you happen to get it right.

Catching one trend, like Mark Zuckerberg, is just luck. But there’s clearly CEOs who are able to predict the direction of markets over a sustained period of time across multiple inflection points. E.g. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs.

Eh, even if we take those mythologized examples as real (I'd argue the history of both is heavily whitewashed and their failues, like NeXT or Windows Phone to name just two, are papered over in their mythmaking), if anything they're the exceptions that prove the rule.

Re: Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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Post by Xalutiono »

malfist wrote: post #110
Xalutiono wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My company i work for is real, normal big global company. Not sure if its really top 100 or top 150, I checked google and the lists again i can find it in one i can't find it in the top 100 in the other. Shouldn't matter though the 2 digit billion dollar revenue is true and the amount spend on tokens is true too. Everyone has access to claude, we get reminded regulalry to invest time into using AI.

Wait, is it your startup or "company I work for", because you've said both. If you're going to lie, at least keep your story straight.

And? I do both.

My startup is not a billion company. Its a small startup.

Edit: I think i get the confusion now? I have a small startup on the side and i work for a big company.

Re: Google’s ATLAS is a look at how people are using AI

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Post by Xalutiono »

bombcar wrote: post #95
Xalutiono wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you so snarky? I don't want to share my company name (obvously?!) but i'm willing to share that one number to give more insight. Feel free to not believe me. Your company doesn't use AI at all? You are unable to use it?

My AI is frontier enough to know why I'm so snarky, perhaps you should ask yours.

I realized that it might not been clear.

I have a small startup AND i work for a normal well known big company

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