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OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except without any of the benefits of regulation to its citizens.

Exactly. Europe regulates to protect humanity. USA regulates to protect monopolies and political power

Yep. Growing up, I always defaulted to the "enlightened centrist" perspective that antitrust law and IP law and trade law were failing to help the median person simply due to the difficulty of the problem, that insofar as our regulation was inadequate it was inadequate because it had to balance multiple crossed incentives and stay ahead of world class sprinters who had a systemic resource advantage because the economy will always be larger than the regulators. But the more I learn about the history of these subjects the more I realize that the levers were understood, they did work, and that the present outcomes were entirely intentional.

Reagan and the Chicago school intentionally shifted antitrust and IP law into monopoly mode (Bork and Bowman+Posner). The Consumer Welfare Standard is an obvious fig-leaf over Robber Baron talking points as defeated earlier by Brandeis, the Nine No-Nos (lol) indicate that the failure modes of modern IP policy weren't just understood but contained, and then containment was turned off. Trade is a messier story but Triffin articulated the distributional problems in the 60s so nobody gets to claim ignorance.

The bad news is that there is more corruption that I thought, but the good news is that the problems are more solvable than I thought.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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> Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei has argued that open-weight models are harder to keep safe because, once their weights are released, developers lose the ability to revoke access, update safety guardrails or prevent misuse.

Yes, I totally love the fact that when using the closed source models that I pay for, once released, they can still shut me out or silently poison the results based on IP address, timezone, hostname, keywords or just the general vibes, etc. at any time (all of which already proved to have happend or even admitted to / bragged about). /s

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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I don't think it's ever a good idea to change the rules of the game in order to stay competitive.

In recent years, with US further turning their back from globalization into America first protectionism, the rest of the world is getting increasingly tired and slowly de risking out of US products and tech.

European companies are either suffering us levies, or us interference with whom they can conduct business with, or consistently risking that their service and cloud providers can become liabilities over night.

EU is also strongly pushing for US alternatives in payments, telecoms, space, etc. And I didn't even mention politics yet.

US is still enjoying an apex position, but it may overestimate its gripe and underestimate resentments (Greenland threats have been a point of no return).

The actions of US looks like those of a decaying empire.

What plays in US hands is that its biggest "allies" are mature democracies, and mature democracies really procrastinate any painful change unless they have to confront it, thus it may keep getting away with this for very long.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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And to think I got warned in another post that I need to be nicer/more professional in discussing this topic. Yeah. Nah. Bringing out the same drum I’ve been banging for years now , these companies have never actually cared about ensuring safe AI, regulation, or ensuring it benefits all humanity. It has always, always , been about control and their profit margins. Their actions have never reflected any sort of positi…

> at least China gives most of those models back, for free, in the form of open-weights.

China also publishes a lot of impactful research in the open which has benefitted US labs too.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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My bet: Thanks to China, compute gets cheaper, models get better, both economically and qualitatively, and AI becomes increasingly commoditized rather than controlled by a select few.

If I wager on anything else, it won’t matter, because it would mean living in a dystopian hell where any bet is meaningless.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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No way this can go wrong for the U.S. economy! Do everything you can to protect the existing incumbents, pay no mind to the wider consequences. Winning strategy.

Doesn't help how the us gov is saying Kimi 3 stole IP of Fable even though it's not possible to distill Fable in 1 month.

And they've provided no technical explanation of how...

This may be an odd reference, but I remember this song and dance with Roomba Vs. Roborock. "Roborock stole our IP!!!" but the problem was that song was slightly believable in the very early days, then Roborock started releasing products far better than anything Roomba had, but the tune in the US never changed. Literally for years after Roborock's products were two generations better than Roomba, but somehow they "stole" that?

China has money, talent, and cheap electricity/superior infrastructure. The US's big AI built their products on stolen copyright material and social media scraping. China likely got a catchup boost via distilling, but recently a lot of their AI ventures have come fully online, and they've just throwing tons of compute/power at the problem, and we're starting to see legitimately competitive products without shortcuts/cheating.

But the US won't change its tune; and that's convenient because they don't really want to compete, but rather roll out protectionism and fear per normal.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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This feels like the US is going to take a page from Europes book and regulate itself into uncompetitiveness

The point of regulation in Europe is usually to protect people. Regulation in the US seems to be done with the purpose of protection companies. I'm not 100% sure, but this feels non-ideal for most people.

Please explain how making it difficult to start a business and hire employees protects people. I've never understood that logic but maybe I'm missing something.
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