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OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Post by trolleski »

echelon wrote: post #20
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #7

You know what? That is fine based merely on recent openai/hugginface incident ( after all, they needed open weights model to actually troubleshoot it, because 'safe' one did not let em ). Let it all burn:D edit: And lets hope we learn a lesson.

I would rather we not lose the AI race so idiotically. Winning the AI race means letting OpenAI and Anthropic face market forces. Edit: Clearly other companies are doing well. ElevenLabs, Runway, FAL, RunPod, CoreWeave, Lambda, BaseTen, Lovable. These are real companies that didn't raise absurd amounts of capital. They've grown revenues at a solid clip, provide real value, and didn't go off the deep end with fundrais…

The current US climate is for most of the people to face the market forces while some have pay-to-play privileges...

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Post by throwa356262 »

ForHackernews wrote: post #21
throwa356262 wrote: post #15

"Why it matters: ... The big picture: ... Zoom in:... Zoom out:..." I wonder if they used an American or Chinese LLM to write this article?

Nah, that's Axios house style for their readership of extremely busy/important illiterates.

You are right, all their recent articles are written this way :(

Still, if feels very LLM-y with their short sentences, definitive statements and a love for lists when none is needed.

On the other hand, maybe Axios was such dominant component in the training dataset that now every LLM speaks like this...

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Post by sschueller »

echelon wrote: post #14

Fuck these two companies. Fuck Sam and Dario. These fucking assholes want to selfishly sink our country and our competitiveness because their valuations are tied to a thin little moat, and they moronically raised way too much capital. They think regulation can save them, when in actuality it will doom all of us. Go to hell, OpenAI and Anthropic. Call your senators right now.

The problem isn't only them, it's all the greedy investors and enablers around them thinking they can hold the potato just long enough to enrich themselves before the whole things explodes. The "enablers" are the real problem and this is why Elon is still not behind bars.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Post by stego-tech »

And to think I got warned in another post that I need to be nicer/more professional in discussing this topic.

Yeah. Nah.

Bringing out the same drum I’ve been banging for years now, these companies have never actually cared about ensuring safe AI, regulation, or ensuring it benefits all humanity. It has always, always, been about control and their profit margins. Their actions have never reflected any sort of positive, shared human benefit since OpenAI released ChatGPT, and they’ll never actually provide said shared benefit when it comes down to benefitting everyone versus benefitting themselves.

The technology is built off wholesale theft of protected works without compensation; at least China gives most of those models back, for free, in the form of open-weights.

It’s the Princess Bride meme but for AI: “you’re trying to take what I’ve rightfully stolen!” I’m tired of having to put on some sort of mask of decency and professionalism to discuss a topic whose counterparty gets to wallow in toxic waste without recourse, and these sorts of stories only reinforce that despite being a glib jerk about it, I’m still on the high road, here.

More folks should join us in open mockery of hypocritical whinging from technological robber barons.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Post by jerrythegerbil »

This AI generated article about closed-weights model providers collaborating for additional scrutiny of open weights models, where the article itself has the tell-tale structure of being written by Claude Opus, which is aware it is a closed-weight model.

Thank goodness no one is taking any of this seriously, because it could never be anything more than a machine generated hatchet job.

A faster and better educated understanding of the subject matter could be achieved by standing in front of a wood chipper and dropping a brick in it to see what happens. “Yes, there were results! But why? Why to literally every variable involved?”

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Post by watwut »

Havoc wrote: post #2

This feels like the US is going to take a page from Europes book and regulate itself into uncompetitiveness

The winning monopolies and CEOs seem to be intent into turning into some kind of techno fascists feudalism with the most corrupt government on earth, uncontrollable start the war machine and increasingly less and generally destroying democracy.

So, I am not sure it is such a win. These guys seem to be winning.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Post by hmokiguess »

That's what you get living on borrowed time. The entire thing started off with the wrong foot, using copyrighted and licensed work without attribution followed by a nonsensical illusion of "fair play" because you wanted to win. This is just one way where the moat will fall, the next wave will be when consumer and local inference catches up.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Post by andy99 »

throwa356262 wrote: post #15

"Why it matters: ... The big picture: ... Zoom in:... Zoom out:..." I wonder if they used an American or Chinese LLM to write this article?

Yeah this makes it unreadable for me, immediately distracted by how stupid it is and lose interest in the article. As someone else noted, it’s people who think they are writing for an “executive” audience that have never been within 100 feet of an executive.

Re: OpenAI and Anthropic unite against open-weight AI risks to their bottom line

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Post by baxtr »

embedding-shape wrote: post #13
Havoc wrote: post #2

This feels like the US is going to take a page from Europes book and regulate itself into uncompetitiveness

The point of regulation in Europe is usually to protect people. Regulation in the US seems to be done with the purpose of protection companies. I'm not 100% sure, but this feels non-ideal for most people.

You mean like Chat Control 2.0, by which ordinary people are targeted and politicians are exempt?
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