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EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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Re: EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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Mistral and ElevenLabs seem to be doing pretty well.

Also, here in the U.S., we’ve managed to screw up so badly on data privacy and basic rights that the EU has been systematically replacing their entire tech stack with sovereign components.

Re: EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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I'm not familiar with the Act. Can you explain how it would kill theses startups?

It kills those hardware startups that attempt to make money by selling us insecure crap? See also, the GDPR killing startups that attempt to invade our privacy and exploit personal data without permission.

And then there are no European hardware startups and your own options for hardware are Chinese and American, both with backdoors.

Re: EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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Less than the Iranian regime has.

At least they didn't double tap a school.

Apart from that, the IRGC has trained militants in Africa and supplied them with weapons and staff augmentation.

One of the groups took over a church where refugees were hiding and burnt them alive in the building.

Re: EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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I'd rather have that than insecure hardware. It seems like it forces security to be a first class priority instead of an afterthought.

It forces Europeans wanting to build hardware startups to go overseas, so there's even fewer new European hardware companies and Europe becomes even more dependent on the US and China.

Just like everyone left when the GDPR went into place? Having safety standards in place (and yes that also means documenting them) can even be a selling point. To have demonstrably secure hardware according to a standard can be highly desirable.

I think losing the companies that don't have security as a main priority isn't too bad. I assume that the EU will create import restrictions if there is a meaningful shift to avoid EU rules.

Re: EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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I looked it up, and it seems that one issue is that Google, as a DMA gatekeeper, is supposed to provide anonymous data to other search services, but in practice, important parts of the actual data have been removed. The other issue is that competing AI services (not just Gemini) should also be allowed to run integrated app search. Reading about it, both points seem valid to me.

Also apps need to be allowed to conduct their transactions outside the appstore and the appstore must allow them to advertise that.

And supposedly, "steering must be free". Or at least that's what they told Apple when fining €500M, I think today they both charge up to about 20% commission if apps use third party payments.

Re: EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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post #52

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It kills those hardware startups that attempt to make money by selling us insecure crap? See also, the GDPR killing startups that attempt to invade our privacy and exploit personal data without permission.

And then there are no European hardware startups and your own options for hardware are Chinese and American, both with backdoors.

Interesting that US Americans think letting their companies do whatever they want everywhere (as they currently do) is the better "strategy".

Re: EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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EU regulatory apparatus is maybe only part of the EU which is operates without obsequiousness to the US; on the one hand, this is necessary assertion of sovereignty, on the other you fear for the wider collateral damage which will inevitably ensue. Trump gonna respond to this with an escalation for sure

That's one read. For me it feels like practically (ASML, ARM, SAP not withstanding) their only "contribution" to tech is fines and exporting regulation. Sometimes this works out well (usb-c on iPhone), but most of the time it feels like if they want software, hardware, or the web to operate the way they want, perhaps they should try to actually produce some of it instead of being wholly reliant on others while also t…

Is ASML really that insignificant?

Re: EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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For Google this is just like parking tickets to UPS. A cost of doing business in town.

this comment always comes up and it's _wrong_. The goal of the regulation is to get the operators to comply, which they usually do after fines (EDIT: and litigations and whining, of course), because the costs of infractions are increased if they don't comply.

If the cost of penalties doesn't exceed the cost of the offence then it's a winning move to offend.

The correct solution to this is to have fines scaled to the value of a company and an exponential doubling of fines for every re-offence that falls under the same category of crime with a cooling off period after a few years.

Re: EU fines Google €890M for competition breaches over search and apps

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For Google this is just like parking tickets to UPS. A cost of doing business in town.

this comment always comes up and it's _wrong_. The goal of the regulation is to get the operators to comply, which they usually do after fines (EDIT: and litigations and whining, of course), because the costs of infractions are increased if they don't comply.

Not really, next time they just make a calculated risk decision, if the revenue from non-compliance is quite significant than the fine they have to pay later (if they have to, because I can imagine so many other cases which went unnoticed or didn't result in a fine) there is no reason for them to comply next time. It's not like they will be prohibited from doing a business after n number of compliance violations or fines
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