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Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, exactly, that's why I like it.
No, you don't. Because just upthread you said: > Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code. No it won't. But you outed yourself as a botlicker. So, off you go to somewhere that welcomes botlickers, then.
Are you OK? All the best.
Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
The terms in question don't even mention quality issues. The argument is about the unclear copyright status of generated code. Also malware risk.
I don't understand the copyright issue. In many jurisdictions it's already established that AI produced content of any type attaches no copyright. The only copyright which is created comes from human manipulation of said AI content.
Many jurisdictions aren’t built around case law, and judges tend to focus on their own personal interpretation of written legislation instead of focusing on precedents. It can therefore take many more years until legal consensus forms on a given issue.
So I can see why e.g. a German institution would choose act more conservatively than one from countries with a background in common law.
Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand the copyright issue. In many jurisdictions it's already established that AI produced content of any type attaches no copyright. The only copyright which is created comes from human manipulation of said AI content.
Many jurisdictions aren’t built around case law, and judges tend to focus on their own personal interpretation of written legislation instead of focusing on precedents. It can therefore take many more years until legal consensus forms on a given issue. So I can see why e.g. a German institution would choose act more conservatively than one from countries with a background in common law.
Yes, of course. It's really interesting to see how there is such a disparity in copyright legislation worldwide. This confusion is likely to continue, as you say, for quite a while. At least until a more standardized recognition of copyright issues relating to AI emerges through global consensus.
Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions
#75Blunt purity tests administered by people with reductionist and categorical thinking. The reality is that even tools produced by concentrated capital and mass appropriation can also increase the productive capacity of a small free-software project whose code remains available under copyleft. They're not "infected" and contagious. They're tools. They can deskill and dispossess workers; they can extend what a particula…
> Which tendency dominates, under what conditions, and to whose benefit are material questions.
Close, but not quite. They are political questions. And crucially, political questions to which we already know the answer in the current sociopolitical environment: it displaces workers, because the balance of power is very heavily tilted towards the wealthy.
This is precisely why people oppose AI.
Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions
#76Blunt purity tests administered by people with reductionist and categorical thinking. The reality is that even tools produced by concentrated capital and mass appropriation can also increase the productive capacity of a small free-software project whose code remains available under copyleft. They're not "infected" and contagious. They're tools. They can deskill and dispossess workers; they can extend what a particula…
> Which tendency dominates, under what conditions, and to whose benefit are material questions. Close, but not quite. They are political questions. And crucially, political questions to which we already know the answer in the current sociopolitical environment: it displaces workers, because the balance of power is very heavily tilted towards the wealthy. This is precisely why people oppose AI.
I think you didn't actually read what I wrote. Or you chose to ignore the point.
Saying one "opposes AI" itself is already broad stroke categorical thinking. Starting from purported essences rather than on the ground situations.
It's just moralistic thinking that hides details and accomplishes nothing. And pointless. Mechanization happens whether you like it or not. It's not mechanization or the machine one should be purposefully organizing against. It's the way it's used. Or you'll just lose.
I personally can't think of a better use of an AI "agentic tool" than to write copyleft free software. I'll rightfully "steal" back what they unethically stole, thank you very much.
"You touched the tool and are therefore contaminated and all you touched is contaminated" is what I see in the threads, and it's not just wrong it's tactically stupid.
Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, you don't. Because just upthread you said: > Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code. No it won't. But you outed yourself as a botlicker. So, off you go to somewhere that welcomes botlickers, then.
Are you OK? All the best.
So when someone points out that you are inconsistent with your own points, you ask after their health and wellbeing? In other words, you are questioning my sanity because I point out you contradicted yourself?
That is toxic AF, you know that?
Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you OK? All the best.
So when someone points out that you are inconsistent with your own points, you ask after their health and wellbeing? In other words, you are questioning my sanity because I point out you contradicted yourself? That is toxic AF, you know that?
I am truly sorry to have upset you. Have a nice day.
Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
So when someone points out that you are inconsistent with your own points, you ask after their health and wellbeing? In other words, you are questioning my sanity because I point out you contradicted yourself? That is toxic AF, you know that?
I am truly sorry to have upset you. Have a nice day.
No, you're not, and I suspect you are a bot.
I really wish HN had a block function.
Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions
#80Codeberg is just a nice logo wrapped around Forgejo/Gitea. I don't really see the appeal besides free hosting + some storage. People should either self-host a gitea/forgejo/gogs server for like 3$ a month on hetzner or just use gitea.com. If you want to share your repos, just use sharemygit.com and spread the repo on coding forums. Personally I find this a much better stimulant for a community, then just having free-…
Private repos are allowed, although with some restrictions: Private repositories are only allowed for things required for FLOSS projects, like storing secrets, team-internal discussions or hiding projects from the public until they're ready for usage and/or contribution. They are also allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or m…
Who determines what a really small project is? All my projects are for personal use, but how do I proof that?