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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by StrontiumK9 »

intunderflow wrote: post #413

I've just got back from my day, and I see the Codeberg PR has been stormed by new accounts. Please dont. I posted this here to spark a discussion on HN, not as a license to raid Codeberg. They're at liberty to set their own policies in the same way I'm at liberty to not use their services. If you want to discuss this and you're not already an account holder at Codeberg, the comments section is right here.

They are not necessarily new accounts, their flag shows this is the first time you engaged with a discussion. You could have had an account for months, and it still flags you as new.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by hogwasher »

bArray wrote: post #367

I don't think you want to store your source code in a place where they ban projects based on politics [1]: > Allowing these projects is not a neutral stance; the effects to the environment are severe. The "DarkFi" (seemingly some crypto designed for criminals, citing an FBI director) project for example uses a "PoW blockchain" (per their readme). PoW (Proof-Of-Work) projects waste an astonishing amount of computation…

I'd rather companies actually care (or even just care about seeming to care) about ethics, rather than only caring what makes the line go up the fastest, yes.

A company that treats ethics as optional, or that thinks "it's a business" excuses every imaginable sin, is one that will happily screw you and me over too.

Also, in the long term, making climate change worse is a catastrophically bad decision for absolutely everybody. Companies just have to look past the ends of their own noses to see the immediate, quick payout of not giving a fuck about it is like accepting payment to dig their own graves.

Also, this is probably, in part, about all the cryto scams everywhere. Companies don't like legal trouble.

Anyway, anybody who's sane backs up their source code. If a company burns you, and it's not a monopoly, you leave it. It's not a problem.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by surgical_fire »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #276
pretendgeneer wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're misunderstanding "codeberg is political". Everything is political, FOSS is political, GitHub is also political. When people say "We're not political", or "That's not political". What they're actually saying is that it's within my own politics.

No dude. Most things are not, in fact, political. When I enjoy a meal, that isn't political. When I hang out with my family and friends, that isn't political. When I sit down to read a nice book with a cup of cocoa, that isn't political . The notion that "everything is political" is an indicator that someone has an extremely toxic relationship with politics. Basically you're projecting your unhealthy level of politic…

Oh boy, how wrong you are.

> When I enjoy a meal

What food do you eat, and where do you eat it? How much does it cost? Culturally, where does it come from? Who works the kitchens? Who cleans the place?

> When I hang out with my family and friends, that isn't political.

Where do you hang out? Who else goes there? Who even are your friends?

> When I sit down to read a nice book with a cup of cocoa, that isn't political.

What book are you reading? Does the country you live produce the cocoa you are drinking? Do you know where it comes from?

Everything is political to an extent, even the reason we have this discussion in English when English is not my native language.

I am not saying you have to think about those things all the time; that would be exhausting. But ignoring it and pretend everything is separated into its own nice little happy vacuum is too naive.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by selfhoster1312 »

PeterStuer wrote: post #317

Even though I do not host on Codeberg, but I do run my own Forgejo, and have no particular interest in Cryptocurrency projects, I consider this a serious red flag as to me it indicates an activist tendency, for lack of a better word, that I do not want from an IT infrastructure provider.

All IT infrastructure providers are activists. The question is what is their politics? Github pushes for centralization, AI slop, and gathering code for the military-industrial complex. Twitter pushes for techno-fascism under our great and only leader Elon Musk. FSF pushes for liberal left-wing copyleft.

If you don't see the politics behind economic actors, i would recommend taking a closer look.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by thinkingemote »

jjmarr wrote: post #99
danpalmer wrote: post #5

Why? Banning abuse is fine, and disliking Cryptocurrency projects at a moral level is fine, but running a coffee hosting service and putting your moral judgements on projects like this just seems childish and unserious. I'm also apparently banned from reading the article, despite having no previous usage of Codeberg or any history with the project, so I can't even see their reasoning.

In the words of the person who announced the ban, when moderating a discussion on it 8 months prior:[1] > > Dear Codeberg, please push out and ban these political fighters. > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are…

A side effect of platform vs publisher.

They are voluntarily choosing to be a publisher. Publishers are responsible for the actions that the users do on their platform.

States are happier with and want more publishers as it's easier to censor, add surveillance and control them than neutral platforms.

The few past times when Cloudfare censored politically was interesting as they quickly made apologies because they want to be seen more as a neutral platform than a service that nation states can control.

It's why modern internet legislation across all parties and across all nations is geared towards changing platforms into publishers.

And it's why the services that we would have seen to be independent and neutral in the past are choosing this new paradigm.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Y-bar »

mw888 wrote: post #410
Y-bar wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do you know what the politics will be next? I was very tempted to reply with a ”always has been” astronaut meme, or possibly Morpheus ”what if I told you” meme. But I would not have contributed in a good manner like that. The way I have come to understand it is that everything is indeed political. An I mean it, even driving at the speed limit is in a sense a political act saying ”I respect the laws by our polit…

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Just because most of everything has a political angle/facet does not mean it defines my life as much as it seem to do to you. It just serves to help me articulate my choices in life.

I would like to know how taking an active moral stand as Codeberg is doing is lazy. Especially when put in relation to armchair analysis on social media.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by hogwasher »

____mr____ wrote: post #372
jjmarr wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the words of the person who announced the ban, when moderating a discussion on it 8 months prior:[1] > > Dear Codeberg, please push out and ban these political fighters. > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are…

> the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are a "coffee hosting service" that neutrally hosts code from a variety of perspectives. They do not believe this because this is simply not the reality we live in > Their view is that hosting code is a political act and this is backed by the donations funding Codeberg's operation. They are correct in this view. No matter how "apolitical" platforms like Github an…

Yeah. It's like everybody's forgetting that github also bans things, such as certain projects that receive DMCA takedown requests.

And github pushing its LLM garbage into Visual Studio. If banning crypto or LLM's is political, so too must be pushing them on people who don't want them and very loudly object.

It's only 'political' when someone is trying to divert from the actual, specific subject of a discussion. It's a thought-stopping tactic, not actual substantive criticism.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by bcye »

FireInsight wrote: post #391

If this, or the vibe-coding ban upsets you, you're not the target demographic of Codeberg. It's not a big tent project looking to host all the code in the word, like Github is. It's for principled, quality, open source, community-first software. Look at the explore page to see what that means: https://codeberg.org/explore/repos?q=&only_show_relevant=tru... The entire point of Forgejo, the git forge that Codeberg runs…

The problem is that if you are the target demographic now, you’ll never know if you’re still next year or if you’ll be deplatformed and as such it makes for not a very reliable code host.
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