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Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by efreak »

wmf wrote: post #399
amiga386 wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not the case. The article is quite clear that LG runs an "app store" where 42% of the "apps" likely contain residential proxies, and LG is going to make its "app store" developers stop doing that. From TFA: > “A residential proxy network is not an intended use for LG smart TVs, and LG Electronics is working with developers to remove the residential proxy option from their apps on the webOS platform,” Taylor s…

Some people do run Tailscale proxies in their home, and an always-on device like a TV is a good place to run it.

Why would your TV always be on? My TV is only on when I'm using it.

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Post by efreak »

tosti wrote: post #263
TeMPOraL wrote: post #248

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20 years ago people would've called it a trojan horse. But then, by standards of two decades ago, every website that cannot legally avoid showing a GDPR popup would be classified as malware. As it should be today. Alas, standards have changed.

There were no cookie popups 20 years ago.

Some browsers would individually request you approve each cookie s website set. This is a feature of the browser itself that the website is unable to control. Lynx still has this option, I believe.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by dns_snek »

delta_p_delta_x wrote: post #158
drnick1 wrote: post #117

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Another win for the Linux security model (software installed and updated manually from vetted repos only).

> Another win for the Linux security model I swear, OSs have become sports teams. Linux's 'security model’ has plenty of holes. The very fact the kernel and much of its user-mode is written in C almost guarantees that its security model is worthless. The Linux ecosystem operates on trust and respect that can and has been easily abused by bad actors to provide supply-chain pwnage. There have been so many zero-click lo…

> Linux's 'security model’ has plenty of holes.

Implementation bugs are not holes in the security model. Linux has plenty of those, as does Windows.

Windows security model trusts, downloads, and immediately executes arbitrary software when a new untrusted device is plugged in, without asking the user.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by coldtea »

paulddraper wrote: post #417
coldtea wrote: post #216

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That's for a general purpose computing platform that a smartphone is. This is for a fucking TV.

Some might say that a smart phone and a smart TV have a lot of similarities.

And those people will be wrong.

Besides, there's no shortage of dumb phones and featurephones on the market. We want the same for TVs.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by throwawayqqq11 »

negura wrote: post #444
jacobgold wrote: post #369

US residential proxies are the bane of the internet. They're the major source of social media manipulation and spam. Services can dramatically reduce abuse by blocking entire IP ranges based on country of origin, organization, or type (hosting providers). But a company can't block US residential IPs if it would also cut off many of their real customers. The US government (probably the NSA) should be cracking down har…

gosh, thanks for sharing your US national security concerns. as a former Googler. straight out of San Francisco. the world's epicentre of "win-win" tech innovations > But a company can't block US residential IPs if it would also cut off many of their real customers. since when do companies care whether they cut off real customers? i've been paying for residential proxies for everyday internet browsing for nearly 6 mo…

In a not so far dystopian future, we might be thankful for any bit of anonymity we get. I am waiting for the day my ISP detects and blocks my tor/vpn traffic, as GP suggested. You think politicians/regulators wouldnt go so far to "protect children"?

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Post by thatguy27 »

Manuel_D wrote: post #421
drnick1 wrote: post #135

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It's not "quasi-malware," it is malware.

My understanding is that these apps' TOS explains that by using the app you consent to having third party traffic routed through your device. For example [1] the Hola VPN's free users agree to let third party traffic get routed through their networks. Now, how closely users actually read the TOS is a different story, but it's arguably not malware on the grounds that users are, at least on paper, informed and agree to…

Nope, still malware. Arguing that people can technically read the TOS is (maliciously?) ignoring the social contract that most of us live by (i.e. don't trick people and screw them).

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Post by GJim »

jhallenworld wrote: post #371

I have a new LG TV, holy moly what a terrible user experience. Out of the box it requires you to create an LG account. PITA, but OK. Except I was supposed to set the location first, instead I set it after. So now you have the problem that you can not log into LG.com using my own email (even from a web browser) because it says: "incorrect country". I contacted their tech support about this, the only fix is to switch b…

> LG TV, holy moly what a terrible user experience.

I was put off buying one as, here in Blighty, all LG TV's come with a built in Amazon Alexa which if you don't enable it, nags you every time you turn on the TV (talk about doing the bare minimum to comply with the GDPR!).

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Post by iso1631 »

drnick1 wrote: post #362
iso1631 wrote: post #199

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most of my machines use unnatended-upgrades Increasingly software is distributed by "curl dodgysite.com/get.sh|sudo bash -", no different to running "install.exe" on windows Surely Windows Update is a vetted repo as much as arch or debian

> Increasingly software is distributed by "curl dodgysite.com/get.sh|sudo bash -" I don't think this is the norm at all. I have seen curl/bash install scripts for tools like Claude Code, but they don't use sudo, and the expectation is that you deploy them in isolated user accounts or containers.

== Docker ==

Docker provides a convenience script at https://get.docker.com/ to install Docker into development environments non-interactively.

== Homebrew ==

/bin/bash -c "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/HEAD/inst...)"

Paste that in the macOS Terminal, a Linux shell or WSL. The script explains what it will do and then pauses before it does it. Read about other installation options.

== k3s ==

K3s provides an installation script that is a convenient way to install it as a service on systemd or openrc based systems. This script is available at https://get.k3s.io. To install K3s using this method, just run:

These scripts have lines like

> abort "Need sudo access on macOS (e.g. the user ${USER} needs to be an Administrator)!"

> # --- use sudo if we are not already root ---

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #448
TeMPOraL wrote: post #186

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What if I don't want to run a business? I just want to run a website!

Okay, I can understand that there are instances where people want to run a website or some kind of server, recreationally, or out-of-pocket, or cooperatively, outside of a business/corporate context. But I'd say it's fundamentally a market segmentation. ISPs don't want consumers running servers on consumer connections. Think about it. This allows ISPs to plan deployments better. Consumers should be, well, consuming d…

Internet service should be as close to a dumb pipe as possible. It can be biased in one direction (though 10:1 is too much and future DOCSIS versions are remedying that) but even a slower upload can and should be able to do basic hosting.

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Post by inigyou »

jacobgold wrote: post #369

US residential proxies are the bane of the internet. They're the major source of social media manipulation and spam. Services can dramatically reduce abuse by blocking entire IP ranges based on country of origin, organization, or type (hosting providers). But a company can't block US residential IPs if it would also cut off many of their real customers. The US government (probably the NSA) should be cracking down har…

Counterpoint: IP range blocking is the bane of the internet, and I'm glad I can get around it by buying residential proxies. They cause very little problem to anyone except for the companies that think they can be the tzar of who gets to view certain information. The most unethical component is that the user often didn't consent to installing the proxy (which causes no problems for him) but this can be resolved and some people voluntarily install proxies for money.
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