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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by matheusmoreira »

close04 wrote: post #306
matheusmoreira wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have no idea what "slop" is. They don't want to have to define it with any precision. Ironically, these rules will be enforced based on vibes.

Maybe they use the definition from the HN guidelines [0]: > Don't post generated text or AI-edited text. HN is for conversation between humans. Does this change your view of HN? Of Codeberg? Of vibe enforced rules? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

That rule's for HN comments, not submissions. Nobody's getting kicked out for vibecoding a project.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by ceres »

close04 wrote: post #306
matheusmoreira wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have no idea what "slop" is. They don't want to have to define it with any precision. Ironically, these rules will be enforced based on vibes.

Maybe they use the definition from the HN guidelines [0]: > Don't post generated text or AI-edited text. HN is for conversation between humans. Does this change your view of HN? Of Codeberg? Of vibe enforced rules? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I don’t care about HN the same way I care about my development platform. If I want to show someone my life’s work I don’t send then to HackerNews.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by omnimus »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #281
juliangmp wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you two only donating or are you members of the e.V.? Because I got the invitation to the assembly and 9 separate emails for each of the polls.

I don't get it. Wasn't it supposed to be a user led platform? Judging by your comment, looks like it's actually led by paying users, or whatever it is that these "members of the e.V." are.

Yes it's community run and you have to be member to get a vote. Paying fees as member is one of the most common ways how similar structures work outside software. Even politcal parties work this way.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by arkh »

jdormit wrote: post #107

Wow. I have never worked on any cryptocurrency projects and never intend to, but I will certainly be staying very far away from Codeberg because of this. There are some levels of censorship that make sense for a code forge - “you can’t do crimes on our servers”, “you can’t host malware on our servers”, etc. But inflicting a subjective moral judgement on an entire category of software sends the message that this isn’t…

> “you can’t do crimes on our servers”, “you can’t host malware on our servers”

So most of the cryptocurrency projects.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by matheusmoreira »

whilenot-dev wrote: post #305
matheusmoreira wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then war it is. Like I told the fine people of Lobsters, they're going to take out a lot of innocent people as collateral damage during their crusade. I've already soft quit that site, and there goes Codeberg as well. What can you do?

I'm not following. Your last comment on Lobsters[0] was 4 days ago, that's not soft quitting. And even if it is, how is soft quitting war? [0]: https://lobste.rs/~matheusmoreira

I used to post a lot more. I took the "be part of the community" rule pretty seriously and really tried. I dramatically cut down on my participation after the "ban AI slop" meta threads made me feel like I was not welcome due to my AI use. Getting straight up called a "slop fetishist" will do that.

Since then I've been mostly participating on veqq's lobster interview threads. My highest posting volume was in my own interview thread. The interview itself took place before all of these unfortunate events. Veqq is a really nice person, one of a select few who told me they were sad to see me go, even though we have different viewpoints on AI.

> how is soft quitting war?

Culture war, I suppose.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by joegibbs »

tkel wrote: post #268
natas wrote: post #123

This is a slippery slope, and I will stay away from Codeberg, because who knows what they'll ban next.

And that's a slippery slope fallacy.

I don’t think the slippery slope is a fallacy. If a group makes a change in one direction is it not more likely that they will continue making changes in that direction than if they had not made the initial change?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by andor »

p-e-w wrote: post #204
jjmarr wrote: post #75

In the prior words[1] of Gusted, one of the board members that announced the ban: > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. [1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184#issuecom...

So what is Codeberg’s political stance? From which ideology does it follow that crypto projects are bad, but VPN projects are not, for example?

VPNs are generic networking/security tools that can also be used for things like circumventing geoblocking.

Cryptocurrency doesn’t have a lot of use cases outside of money laundering, avoiding sanctions and stealing money through rug pulls.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Borgz »

kamikazechaser wrote: post #285

I was one of the commenters that was staunchly against this proposal on the original issue that was brought up 3 years ago. Imo their entire argument has always been straw man. Anyone who has spent enough time around the core Codeberg community knows how ideologically motivated their decisions are regardless of what they put out in their PR statements. This incident coupled with the Forgejo one (In which they twisted…

Can you provide any links regarding the Forgejo incident? I haven't heard about that.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by fragmede »

ceres wrote: post #332
close04 wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they use the definition from the HN guidelines [0]: > Don't post generated text or AI-edited text. HN is for conversation between humans. Does this change your view of HN? Of Codeberg? Of vibe enforced rules? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I don’t care about HN the same way I care about my development platform. If I want to show someone my life’s work I don’t send then to HackerNews.

Wait, why am I commenting here then?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by juliangmp »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #281
juliangmp wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you two only donating or are you members of the e.V.? Because I got the invitation to the assembly and 9 separate emails for each of the polls.

I don't get it. Wasn't it supposed to be a user led platform? Judging by your comment, looks like it's actually led by paying users, or whatever it is that these "members of the e.V." are.

An e.V. (eingetragener Verein) is a legal structure in Germany, the tldr is (I'm not a lawyer this isn't legal advice): • there has to be an annual assembly where all members get invited to • members may send in proposals, which get voted on during the assembly (in codebergs case the voting is done asynchronously, you get like 14 days to fill in your votes) • members elect the people on the board • the e.V. also needs to have formal bylaws for which any change has to be voted on and it's a bunch of paperwork to change them (see https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/src/branch/main/en/bylaws....)

A member is someone that signs up and pays a membership fee (currently that's at least 24€/year, see https://join.codeberg.org/). So yes, the people that pay get to vote. But we're also the ones sending money in to pay for the servers (which is the main source of income for Codeberg), since the e.V. is considered charitable I'm pretty sure this is legally a donation but im not gonna pretend to know things about our tax system.

I get that this sounds strange to people outside of Germany but it's a very common thing here, your local football club is an e.V. for example. It's also not that rare within the foss/software/nerd space, KDE and the CCC are both Vereine as well.

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