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Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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This was a tangent starting with "I find the RealID opposition baffling." at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48983452 . I oppose Real ID because I don't understand the problem it's trying to solve, and it seems expensive and cumbersome for at least some. Real ID is a US-only issue, so I interpreted "If you are worried that your tenant might happen to be an illegal migrant" in the US context. In the US case, quot…

>The right to housing .. The right of access to any place or service intended for use by the general public, such as transport hotels, restaurants, cafes, theatres and parks. The right of access and the right to housing are not affected. The police will not evict a person of colour from a rented accommodation, and will not assist a shop owner with kicking out a person of colour from their shop. But a right is not an…

So in the country you live in, a shop owner is free to kick out women from his phone store, simply for being a woman. India banned discrimination on the basis of caste back in 1947. Does that something you can imagine with your "third-world brain"?

The US used to use this logic until around 1960. It was a horrible country, at least if you were black. Even if a white person wanted to offer housing to black people, the white person was discriminated against. Collective private action used to reinforce a white supremacist social structure.

That's why we needed laws to require public services be available without discrimination based on race, religion, and various other protected classes.

"A private business can refuse anyone. That's because it is private."

A business may be privately owned while doing business with the public. That is quite different than a privately owned business which operates a private club.

Furthermore, businesses are subject to regulations that private people do not have. This is clear in organization structures like a limited company, where the company is a recognized as being legally distinct from its owners. These companies exist only because the government says so, which means the government can control what they can or cannot do.

It's also clear in places like licensing, where someone cannot simply say "I am a medical doctor" and offer medical services, and in other regulations like food safety, where restaurants -- even privately owned ones -- are held to standards which people don't have when cooking for themselves.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

#372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a tangent starting with "I find the RealID opposition baffling." at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48983452 . I oppose Real ID because I don't understand the problem it's trying to solve, and it seems expensive and cumbersome for at least some. Real ID is a US-only issue, so I interpreted "If you are worried that your tenant might happen to be an illegal migrant" in the US context. In the US case, quot…

>The right to housing .. The right of access to any place or service intended for use by the general public, such as transport hotels, restaurants, cafes, theatres and parks. The right of access and the right to housing are not affected. The police will not evict a person of colour from a rented accommodation, and will not assist a shop owner with kicking out a person of colour from their shop. But a right is not an…

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Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The right to housing .. The right of access to any place or service intended for use by the general public, such as transport hotels, restaurants, cafes, theatres and parks. The right of access and the right to housing are not affected. The police will not evict a person of colour from a rented accommodation, and will not assist a shop owner with kicking out a person of colour from their shop. But a right is not an…

So in the country you live in, a shop owner is free to kick out women from his phone store, simply for being a woman. India banned discrimination on the basis of caste back in 1947. Does that something you can imagine with your "third-world brain"? The US used to use this logic until around 1960. It was a horrible country, at least if you were black. Even if a white person wanted to offer housing to black people, the…

>So in the country you live in, a shop owner is free to kick out women from his phone store, simply for being a woman

But why would anybody do such a crazy thing? Such things just don't happen, unless it's a gynaecologist office, where men are generally not admitted.

Moreover, we have thousands of shops available. If a shop refuses a customer, they just lose money.

>Even if a white person wanted to offer housing to black people, the white person was discriminated against.

Again, we just don't have such a thing. Don't project your social issues upon us. You can rent or not rent out your flat out to anyone you want, nobody else's business.

>Collective private action used to reinforce a white supremacist social structure.

This is clearly illegal. But I don't see licensing as an answer to this. Just a decent police service is needed.

>It's also clear in places like licensing, where someone cannot simply say "I am a medical doctor"

Because in such cases a concluded transaction can cause non-financial damage to the sides of the said transaction.

It has nothing to do with the bargaining process.

If there is no transaction, there is nothing to discuss.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #362

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With a population of 12M and life expectancy of 80 years (give or take), probably not, as that needs ~400 newborns a day to maintain, and the birth rate is probably well below that, like in most Western countries.

Back-of-the-napkin math supports that, but baby births aren’t uniformly distributed. Well, anyway, I’m sure they thought about it. Thanks for explaining how I got my Belgian ID number!

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Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With a population of 12M and life expectancy of 80 years (give or take), probably not, as that needs ~400 newborns a day to maintain, and the birth rate is probably well below that, like in most Western countries.

Back-of-the-napkin math supports that, but baby births aren’t uniformly distributed. Well, anyway, I’m sure they thought about it. Thanks for explaining how I got my Belgian ID number!

For the curious, there is a lot more about National Numbers in this pdf: https://www.ibz.rrn.fgov.be/sites/default/files/documents/nl...

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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Is your RealID different? I’ve had one for ages and am not a US citizen. I can’t see how it could be proof of citizenship if I, a non-citizen, has one.

I needed to supply all the necessary documents to prove citizenship, yeah. SSN and birth certificate. Sounds like RealID has other options for proving identity for non-citizens?

I have an SSN, of course, and an Indian passport and my green card. Looking online, a RealID is no guarantee of citizenship because it does not distinguish your ID from mine.

California actually issued RealIDs that weren't actually valid but they cancelled them and followed-up to re-issue them. If you look at the docs for the most recent time I didn't actually need to prove US citizenship (which I cannot do because I am not American - yet) https://wiki.roshangeorge.dev/w/Real_ID_Cancellation

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