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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by shikck200 »

cute_boi wrote: post #56
shikck200 wrote: post #49

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The only good thing about crypto is we can send money easily to stupid countries without any hassle and crazy forex exchange. Other than that, i don't see any value in crypto.

We can send normal FIAT pretty much anywhere in the world, instantly. There might be some places that are truly out-of-reach, but at the same time, crypto is probably not working there neither as a) there i literally no computers and b) no way to use the crypto. So you end up exchanging crypto for fiat, and pay a high fee in the process.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by hparadiz »

tkel wrote: post #296
hparadiz wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might have used it in the future. Now I never will.

Great, nothing of value was lost. I get that you aren't used to people bending over backwards trying to try to cater to you in order to sell you something and get your money. And the kind of social power dyamics that creates. But in this scenario, a group of people deciding democratically what to do with their platform, your hypothetical future potential (mis)use of their resource is really quite meaningless.

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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by tkel »

zarzavat wrote: post #147
jjmarr wrote: post #75

In the prior words[1] of Gusted, one of the board members that announced the ban: > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. [1] https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/2184#issuecom...

Pretending to run an inclusive git hosting service for FOSS and then attacking your own users because their code is the wrong type of algorithm isn't politics, it's just being an asshole.

Kinda seems like you're doing the exact thing the parent comment is talking about, except in addition to laundering your disagreement through the lens of "politics", you're just adding the word "asshole".

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by mfru »

jdormit wrote: post #107

Wow. I have never worked on any cryptocurrency projects and never intend to, but I will certainly be staying very far away from Codeberg because of this. There are some levels of censorship that make sense for a code forge - “you can’t do crimes on our servers”, “you can’t host malware on our servers”, etc. But inflicting a subjective moral judgement on an entire category of software sends the message that this isn’t…

They held an internal discussion amongst members and decided democratically which stance to take.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by whilenot-dev »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #218
conartist6 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to understand that this isn't about everyone being altruistic towards everyone else. When the industry declared that AI would replace humans, even perhaps make every single person worthless, they guaranteed beyond all doubt that the vitriol would reach at least these levels. There's no point in extending kindness to people whose stated goal is your extinction. At that point what's left is war.

Then war it is. Like I told the fine people of Lobsters, they're going to take out a lot of innocent people as collateral damage during their crusade. I've already soft quit that site, and there goes Codeberg as well. What can you do?

I'm not following. Your last comment on Lobsters[0] was 4 days ago, that's not soft quitting. And even if it is, how is soft quitting war?

[0]: https://lobste.rs/~matheusmoreira

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by close04 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #227
simonw wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not crazy about this: > We acknowledge that many developers have started to embrace LLMs as a tool in their workflows. Some use it extensively and rarely code by hand, others delegate only specific tasks to it. We understand that you want to know how the change affects your projects going forward. While we can't give an easy answer, we'll share some remarks that should address most of the concerns raised in the d…

They have no idea what "slop" is. They don't want to have to define it with any precision. Ironically, these rules will be enforced based on vibes.

Maybe they use the definition from the HN guidelines [0]:

> Don't post generated text or AI-edited text. HN is for conversation between humans.

Does this change your view of HN? Of Codeberg? Of vibe enforced rules?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by tehbeard »

tbrownaw wrote: post #187
raincole wrote: post #126

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My rule of thumb: just use the most mainstream options unless I have a very, very strong reason to do otherwise. The mainstream options will screw you, but the niche options will screw you in totally unexpected ways.

A nice thing about Git is that you can trivially push to a new upstream any time you need.

Yes yes yes, we know. Git is decentralised, you can just trivially push* anywhere!

* - the code. Just the code. only the code. Nothing but the code. You don't need the issues, the roadmap, the ACL of which human can do what, the API access keys for third parties, the artifact repos. Just. The. Code.

Somewhat arsey in my tone? Yeah. But having done two large scale (100+ repos) forge migrations of our company's client projects (SVN -> github, then later on github -> bitbucket) and seeing people completely ignore the metadata surrounding the code that isn't as easy to "just push" anywhere, somewhat justified.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by tkel »

hparadiz wrote: post #302
tkel wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great, nothing of value was lost. I get that you aren't used to people bending over backwards trying to try to cater to you in order to sell you something and get your money. And the kind of social power dyamics that creates. But in this scenario, a group of people deciding democratically what to do with their platform, your hypothetical future potential (mis)use of their resource is really quite meaningless.

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> Germans democratically elected Hitler

This is such a tired trope and myth from people who haven't studied history

Also, you're being comically absurd. You're literally comparing codeberg to Nazi Germany? lol

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by rtpg »

mbreese wrote: post #173
conartist6 wrote: post #137

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They banned cypto projects two weeks ago. Today they banned vibecoded projects. https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-...

That's a controversial stance. The first statement of not using codeberg hosted projects to train LLMs makes sense. But to outright ban LLM coded projects seems just silly. If the problem is that users have too many vibe coded projects, then limiting the number of projects seems like a more reasonable stance. To completely ban vibe coded projects just limits the number of users that will use them. I get that this is…

> To completely ban vibe coded projects just limits the number of users that will use them.

here lies the fundamental misunderstanding by many people in this thread.

Is the objective of Codeberg to host as many projects as possible on its own server? I do not believe so!

The question then becomes "what is Codeberg's objectives?"

It's not to become the world's largest code forge instance! It's to build a set of FOSS tools for FOSS software development. Look at [0], for example, which lists alternatives.

But perhaps most importantly, the FOSS tooling can be self hosted, right? There's still a notion of freedom there.

[0] https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/what-is-codeberg/#...

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by andai »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #227
simonw wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not crazy about this: > We acknowledge that many developers have started to embrace LLMs as a tool in their workflows. Some use it extensively and rarely code by hand, others delegate only specific tasks to it. We understand that you want to know how the change affects your projects going forward. While we can't give an easy answer, we'll share some remarks that should address most of the concerns raised in the d…

They have no idea what "slop" is. They don't want to have to define it with any precision. Ironically, these rules will be enforced based on vibes.

I was thinking recently about Dijkstra's position on proving the correctness of your programs, and how by his standards, we've all been going by vibes long before AI.
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