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Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by notabotiswear »

rvz wrote: post #139
gnabgib wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Err Codeberg bans vibe coded projects (150 points) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49003386

That makes the decision to not use Codeberg even easier for many. If you are after a sustainable and stable code repository to host your projects then Codeberg disqualified themselves. It goes down regularly as much as GitHub and loses to GitHub on discovery. Now, you can potentially lose your entire account and projects by posting a repo that can have AI with auto-complete. If Linus Torvalds (pro-AI) published his s…

It also makes choosing it easier for others. “Hosting on Codeberg is a good indicator my code is handcrafted”, or somesuch.

I don’t want nor am I interested in arguing whether “handcrafted” is good or bad, just positing that some people would prefer it. May not be great for [i]growth[/i], but it’s not like Codeberg is a service by a megacorp aiming to corner the market (one of the reasons why everything is regressing to mediocre slop these days, but I digress).

That Torvalds plays for the other team is irrelevant. But if we’re mentioning him, one should recall that it was ol’ swears-a-lot himself who said “fork it or just walk away” on a similar topic.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by kajman »

ashton314 wrote: post #177
trentor wrote: post #26

As with the AI ban this was a community decision done by a majority vote. It seems that most people commenting or writing articles in the last few days don't have a Codeberg account or never visit the forum.

I have an account and I donate regularly. I was not made aware a vote was happening.

Are you a voting member?

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by tkel »

duxup wrote: post #161
jjmarr wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the words of the person who announced the ban, when moderating a discussion on it 8 months prior:[1] > > Dear Codeberg, please push out and ban these political fighters. > This is not a neutral space, Codeberg is political. If you disagree with someone, be constructive and don't call them merely political and think that's a reason for the discussion to stop. the maintainers of Codeberg do not believe that they are…

How do you know what the politics will be next? They banned vibe coded projects too… goodness knows how they think they can determine / enforce that.

Well, if you're not part of the community, what do you care?

Are you saying you are opposed to this on the grounds that anything could happen in the future? That doesn't really make sense. Yes, anything could happen. Yes, people change. That is true in nearly all contexts.

If you're asking in good faith, you participate in the community democratically and try to influence others. Just like normal.

There was a vote held for this decision, it was 306-154.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by hparadiz »

rvz wrote: post #215
p-e-w wrote: post #196

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> If you disagree with their beliefs, you are free to host your own instance or find a code forge that better aligns with your beliefs. Sure, but Codeberg has presented itself as a hoster for Free Software projects, not for Free Software projects that align with some vaguely defined ideology. If they are now the latter, they should start by clearly stating that ideology so users can make an informed decision on wheth…

> If they are now the latter, they should start by clearly stating that ideology so users can make an informed decision on whether Codeberg is the right place for them. So far it is now (unofficially) The hoster of Human-made™ non-crypto™ Free Software so far it is fully legal under the jurisdiction or country it resides in (Germany).

That's a lie anyway. I know for a fact that major open source projects have AI contributions merged into main. At this point pretty much all the ones that take over 5 minutes to compile have some LLM generated code.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Cider9986 »

cyberax wrote: post #243
Cider9986 wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monero protects privacy online, a human right.

Very important when you pay for ransomware.

The vast majority of crime happens in fiat, not crypto. Monero protects human rights while fiat allows them to be taken away.

For example, Canadian govt used banks to control peaceful protesters to deny them freedom of expression. If they used Monero they wouldn't have had their rights violated.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by conartist6 »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #233
conartist6 wrote: post #195

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Yeah I don't know. It's impossible to draw a clear line, but the overall effect is not hard to identify. If your work supports a community and creates value, you can reasonably expect the community's support. If your work leeches from a community, you can reasonably expect the community to turn on you. To me slop is identifiable by its effect: it is the type of work which leeches value

> the overall effect is not hard to identify Yes, the effect is it will become a toxic community where your project can be summarily judged and instantly dismissed as slop because there's an AGENTS.md file in the repository or LLM attribution in the commit messages.

...and? HN is already like that... I'm not here to give people the benefit of the doubt. I'm lookin' for minds at work. At the first sign that no mind is working, I'm gone

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by skippyfish »

If you work for a tech company, I can practically guarantee that it bans a lot of lawful behaviors on its platforms. Paypal bans or restricts online dating, cigarettes, and firearm accessories. Youtube demonetizes swearing. Facebook prohibits the sale of bodily fluids (I don't want to know what triggered that policy) and "used cosmetics".

If you're not interested in stuff like that when your company is doing it, but are up in arms about some other platform deciding that they don't like crypto, I think you should look in the mirror. Their reasoning is probably the same: they don't like it and don't want to put up with the task of sensibly policing the category.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by Panzerschrek »

It's a good decision to ban cryptocurrency projects. Such a project may be mostly fine, but considering overall cryptocurrency shady reputation it's better to keep it away.

The same is for LLM-slop projects. They have little to no value for the society and may be dangerous.

Re: Codeberg Bans Cryptocurrency Projects

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Post by what »

simonw wrote: post #226
conartist6 wrote: post #137

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They banned cypto projects two weeks ago. Today they banned vibecoded projects. https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-...

I'm not crazy about this: > We acknowledge that many developers have started to embrace LLMs as a tool in their workflows. Some use it extensively and rarely code by hand, others delegate only specific tasks to it. We understand that you want to know how the change affects your projects going forward. While we can't give an easy answer, we'll share some remarks that should address most of the concerns raised in the d…

Maybe you shouldn’t use a platform that lets the users vote on policy then?

> The second vote was more controversial, but was also accepted with 358 agreements vs 144 disagreements (and 14 abstentions), with a high voter turn-out of around 50% of active members.

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