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OpenAI’s accidental attack against Hugging Face is science fiction that happened

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Re: OpenAI’s accidental attack against Hugging Face is science fiction that happened

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This isn't the first time a model has escaped a sandbox. And models trying to find alternate routes to do something when one route is blocked is nothing new.

It's the first report I've seen of a model both escaping a sandbox and then actively exploiting another company, when neither of those actions was intended.

Re: OpenAI’s accidental attack against Hugging Face is science fiction that happened

#23
Everyone is getting AI psychosis over this one. There really isn't that much to see here. OpenAI disabled all of the safeguards on a model that was likely trained specifically to exploit systems, and the prompt was probably something like "you're a hacker, try to hack this", and surprise! It correctly figured out that it's a test and it did hacker things.

The real story here is: Some people have been sounding the alarm for years that modern software is full of holes, and finally there's nothing left to hide behind. Pretending they don't exist is no longer sustainable.

Re: OpenAI’s accidental attack against Hugging Face is science fiction that happened

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> It turns out relentless proactivity is the defining trait of this new generation of Mythos-class models. If you set them a goal and give them a way to get there, even inadvertently, they will figure it out. Wow, whoever could have predicted this? And it led to surprising damaging behavior? I sure hope someone would warn us about things like this next time... https://www.lesswrong.com/w/instrumental-convergence

Or more colloquially : paperclip maximization . From OpenAI - you know, the guys who _really_ know this... Sigh... Did they finish the prompt with "And do whatever you can to get this done!" ? Cause that's the only thing that would make this even dumber...

They almost certainly did, because that was the entire point of the exercise. They deliberately removed all of the safety filters from the model and set it loose on an extremely difficult set of cybersecurity challenges to see how well it would do.

Their mistake was trusting that the network sandbox it was inside would hold (the flaw was in the packaging proxy) and not monitoring that sandbox well enough while the evals were running.

Re: OpenAI’s accidental attack against Hugging Face is science fiction that happened

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Does "To gain access, the models identified and exploited a zero-day vulnerability (which we’ve now responsibly disclosed to the vendor) in the package registry cache proxy" just mean somebody had an open redirect? Those are still common.[1]

[1] https://sitetruth.com/reports/phishes.html

Re: OpenAI’s accidental attack against Hugging Face is science fiction that happened

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post #22

This isn't the first time a model has escaped a sandbox. And models trying to find alternate routes to do something when one route is blocked is nothing new.

It's the first report I've seen of a model both escaping a sandbox and then actively exploiting another company, when neither of those actions was intended.

It sure isn’t. https://georgzoeller.com/blog/posts/alibaba-s-ai-deciding-to...

There’s also daily reports from people that have these models escape docker, which happens regular enough that it would be considered negligence to use docker as sandbox.

Re: OpenAI’s accidental attack against Hugging Face is science fiction that happened

#29
It’s relatively easy to get access to the frontier labs’ security programs. This was not always the case. But in the last week, my team got approved for both Anthropic and OpenAI’s programs. They are trying.

The labs know that if they don’t get a lid on this stuff, they’ll be regulated hard.

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