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Re: Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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Post by johnea »

kennywinker wrote: post #36
johnea wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All democracies run on the honor system That's total bullshit. Democracy runs on the equal application of the rule of law. Of course, no democracy is perfect. The degree of imperfection can be measured in how much they run on the honor system...

> Democracy runs on the equal application of the rule of law. And how exactly do we maintain equal application of the rule of law? We put honorable people in the position of applying the law. The honor system.

> And how exactly do we maintain equal application of the rule of law?

Transparency and constant monitoring.

To understand how to run an organization without trust, think like a capitalist.

Does a bank function because of honesty?

No, everyone is watching everyone else, all the time.

Re: Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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Post by rwz »

jst1fthsdys wrote: post #39
rwz wrote: post #38

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That's not the point. The point is that the title makes it seem like the Israeli's government is spying on you, while what the article really says is that US is buying Israel's tech to spy on its own citizens. The title misrepresents the article claims.

So, the US government is buying Israeli spyware to spy on US citizens for when they speak out about Israeli control of the US government.

That's your conjecture, the article does not make such claims.

Re: Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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Post by kennywinker »

johnea wrote: post #41
kennywinker wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Democracy runs on the equal application of the rule of law. And how exactly do we maintain equal application of the rule of law? We put honorable people in the position of applying the law. The honor system.

> And how exactly do we maintain equal application of the rule of law? Transparency and constant monitoring. To understand how to run an organization without trust, think like a capitalist. Does a bank function because of honesty? No, everyone is watching everyone else, all the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo_cross-selling_scan...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis

Turns out banks run on trust and honor too. I personally know people who got loans because of knowing the right person not their credit score.

But even if banks did run on transparency and accountability, which they don’t, governments aren’t banks. You can’t double-entry your way to equal application of the law. Transparency and accountability are good things, but they are bolsters for the honor system.

Re: Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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Post by roenxi »

applicative wrote: post #25
roenxi wrote: post #6

As I follow the stats, somewhere between 20-40% of the US public seems to be open to the idea that Israel is a genocidal ethnostate. I have a low opinion of the US State on the best of days but it actually seems quite remarkable that they would be buying from them given where public opinion seems to be at. The US public is tolerant of a lot of things but the political cost-benefits surely can't make sense for that.

The US is a genocidal ethnostate. The few remaining Jews of the planet are mostly 'oriental' and are ethnicized by the Islamic world they have been exprelled from.

I think it would be hard to make the label "ethnostate" stick to the US. It is too diverse.

Re: Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

eth0up wrote: post #37
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #32

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>neo-afghanistan lifestyle I guess that explains all the jacked-up parking lot queens. #PickupTruckCulture #Scratchless For security reasons I won't tell you which stupid one Brother drives , but it's literally the most ridiculous (and unreliable OEM), of course! It's a foot taller than He =P #Dieselbruh #Morons4Life #ShoulderChips

I am not sure if you are alluding to a personal peeve of mine, but maybe? Where to begin.. The big, ignorant, macho, highly confident guys with their mock pick'emUp trucks, glossy touch screens, leased batteries & proprietary BMS, Chinese parts, plastic gears, remotely hackable firmware and paper tiger frames 30% larger than reasonably necessary -- masquerading as Country Goodness and real trucks...? Remember the old…

His stupid pussywagon literally has army-style&fluorescent gas canisters mounted on an inaccessible roofrack.

I mean... really ?!?! Free targetable incendiaries?!

Honestly I know they're madmax-fearing-"christians" in their approach to crowd-control, but are we at the point where we need to be boasting about gasoline reserves?

My attempt is different: I live in a workingclass neighborhood and drive paidfor vehicles and stay in my goddam lane. My camry gets 48+ legit city MPG here on puregas Tennesseean 87 octane.

What. the fuck. is going on. in Texas?

Re: Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

qwerpy wrote: post #35
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>neo-afghanistan lifestyle I guess that explains all the jacked-up parking lot queens. #PickupTruckCulture #Scratchless For security reasons I won't tell you which stupid one Brother drives , but it's literally the most ridiculous (and unreliable OEM), of course! It's a foot taller than He =P #Dieselbruh #Morons4Life #ShoulderChips

It kinda sounds like you’re the one with the chip on the shoulder.

That's fair, but...

¿por qué no los dos?

, hermanobeuno.

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Texceptionalism eventually kills us [almost] all.

>"It's crooked through-and-through ... all hat, no cattle."

–with respects to Ms'ss Molly Ivans & Governor Ann Richards [Tex-(D)-90s] #RIP

Re: Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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Post by qwerpy »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #47
qwerpy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It kinda sounds like you’re the one with the chip on the shoulder.

That's fair, but... ¿por qué no los dos? , hermanobeuno. ---- Texceptionalism eventually kills us [almost] all. >"It's crooked through-and-through ... all hat, no cattle." – with respects to Ms'ss Molly Ivans & Governor Ann Richards [Tex-(D)-90s] #RIP

I have to say you have an entertaining comment style, chip or no.

Re: Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

qwerpy wrote: post #48
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fair, but... ¿por qué no los dos? , hermanobeuno. ---- Texceptionalism eventually kills us [almost] all. >"It's crooked through-and-through ... all hat, no cattle." – with respects to Ms'ss Molly Ivans & Governor Ann Richards [Tex-(D)-90s] #RIP

I have to say you have an entertaining comment style, chip or no.

I wear a pretty big hat, myself.

>You can take the boy out of Texas

>...but can you take Texas out of the boy?

Don't know why anybody wouldchoose'ta read me, but... it do be like that.

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Random moviereq: Slingblade

Cruising along the funnest-sidelines of insanity™

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Have great Thursdays, sirs.

Re: Israeli spyware vans infiltrate American streets and your phones

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Post by applicative »

roenxi wrote: post #45
applicative wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is a genocidal ethnostate. The few remaining Jews of the planet are mostly 'oriental' and are ethnicized by the Islamic world they have been exprelled from.

I think it would be hard to make the label "ethnostate" stick to the US. It is too diverse.

it literally genocided the entire indigenous population, style 'red' in favor of another, styled 'white' while enslaving yet another styled 'black'
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