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It's a shame what's happened to radio

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Re: It's a shame what's happened to radio

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If you mandate FM for this reason what else will you mandate? Morse code scanning for SOS? Cellphones got cellphone emergency broadcasts before they lost FM radio, so they still show emergency broadcasts.

FM is a technology that was a solved problem. It didn't have to go.

So was Morse code

Re: It's a shame what's happened to radio

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Very disappointed with the US FCC's ~2020 decision to REQUIRE EMAIL for a 1920s technology (access to, via their 10yr-cycle licensing online nightmare ). I recently went to renew my legal callsign, and apparently now email is a required attribute ; if an email from them "bounces" then you get your callsign revoked. My PO Box is no longer enough for them. I don't use email anymore. Radio silence. >"Onair decorum preve…

> I don't use email anymore. That's a choice. Why no email? Why is it so hard to have an email account for the few things that require it?

I'll just use a 10-minute-email, and have anybody send anything to that burner while on my landline with them.

To cite Paul Graham's 15+ year old essay on the topic, email is nothing more than "a to-do list that anybody can add on to."

I respect myself to not use an ineffective communication medium (beyond as-described, above).

Re: It's a shame what's happened to radio

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Once upon a time in Southern Germany, there was the one and only C-Team... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GRBn7Vn2U0&t=775s Obviously it loses a lot if you don't speak German, but they were very funny and silly and interacted with their fans a lot, to say the least.

I don't know how it worked in Germany but in the Netherlands the government had a monopoly on broadcasting. Their public radio stations did not play rock and roll and was not in tune with "youth culture".

Rock'n'roll yes. Youth culture seems harder for me to say anything about, because that can mean a wide range, attitude towards drugs etc. But popular music young people dance to, for sure. You remember Neue Deutsche Welle, right?

Dunno if they were "in tune" though, maybe I'm too literal, because in my mind, anything, even the coolest stuff, that was made by adults and/or legal was not the stuff. Actual youth culture can only happen among the youth, if you know what I mean, so there's at least always this lag.

Re: It's a shame what's happened to radio

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Radio also was your connection to your city and the city's youth communities. Which are now fragmented, subcultures, and frequently dominated by someone trying to make the scene into their living. As far as I know, nothing has filled that community void, and community itself is dying.

Local community is probably irreparably damaged. But I was a kid with niche interests and I didn't start to find my people until the Internet entered my life in 1989.

> Local community is probably irreparably damaged. But I was a kid with niche interests and I didn't start to find my people until the Internet entered my life in 1989.

Sounds like you should start listening to some community radio stations. They don't even have to be your local community, I promise that somewhere in your timezone there is a community radio station broadcasting something you want to listen to.

Try our local one in Brisbane (where Bluey is from) that has been running since 1975 and started as a university student protest station: https://4zzz.org.au

You might not like the show you hear when you click, but look at their catalogue of shows and you'll find something.

Community can always be rebuilt.

Re: It's a shame what's happened to radio

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Yeah - I used "austerity" as a slightly sloppy shorthand in my comment. My two closest local libraries were closed due to cuts made during "the credit crunch" by the coalition government (from memory!), when "austerity" was the buzzword, so I felt it'd communicate most broadly (to HN's international userbase) the phenomenon I was gesturing at. From what I can understand, these sources are saying: "because costs are u…

> Super bleak reading - it's a very dark rabbit hole! That it is! It will require an actual change to the societal contract to resolve as best I can tell - and it remains unclear to me what direction the change will take.

Yes - I think the idea of 'citizenship' feels increasingly abstract and outdated to anyone who only rarely noticeably interacts with the entity they pay taxation to, typically solely in moments of extreme crisis. 'Noticeably' here meaning I'm excluding ambient aspects of life, like walking on a government-maintained pavement.

I would argue those 'non-essential' services - those which you actively notice benefiting from - are extremely important for building institutional trust in the state. For young people entering the workforce today, who (for example) are a demographic that have a lower requirement for the services of the NHS, it must be genuinely confusing and alienating to be paying (what I believe is) a historically high tax rate.

Citizenship, as an idea, does need to demonstrably benefit both the state and the individual. Otherwise, the state is basically asking people to draw on their reserves of empathy to have a reason not to act like a dick. That will, unfortunately, have much more varied results than empathy alongside tangible incentives.

The cost of not providing those 'non-essential' services may ultimately be larger, and more difficult to calculate, I think, than are calculable today. How you provide them without the cash to do so is a question I'm not smart enough to answer. But people have now - completely anecdotally - gone a very long time with low tangible incentives toward citizenship being provided by the either the state or local authorities, and the vibe is very, very bad.

I don't think this is restricted to the UK, either. The OECD’s 2024 trust survey found only 37% of respondents across 30 countries were confident their government balances the interests of current and future generations. [1]

[1] https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/oecd-survey-on-drivers-...

Re: It's a shame what's happened to radio

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I'm the OP, and I'm surprised to find this article on HN at all, let alone the front page! Many comments are focusing on music but the thing I tried to get across in the article was that good radio wasn't primarily about the music, it was about fun and connection. A good DJ kept you from just turning the radio off when you heard that same hit the fourth time today -- you wanted to keep listening because the DJ made i…

Hi Jim, I was involved in radio as a kid and it was one of the most formative experiences of my life. I remember that fondly.

A few questions, as I'd like to hear your take on this.

First, a premise, I think the audience is still out there, as there 10,000s perhaps 100,000s of people that would enjoy the experience you describe and would even pay for that, so it can be sustainable.

Anyway here's the questions:

1. Why not doing that yourself through the internet? Your own radio station, your rules. What usually stops one from accomplishing this?

and

2. What/why do you think the essence of what you describe does/would not translate to the online model? (if you think that's the case)

Thanks!

Re: It's a shame what's happened to radio

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In my neck of the woods, Vancouver, Canada, nothing happened to radio. It was shit in the 1980s and it's the same today. Wait! Except for one major improvement. There is a station CJNY ("The Journey") at 106.3 FM, which is run by Indigenous people: https://www.cjnyfm.ca/about/

I admit to not listening to radio anymore but I was surprised to hear that there are still some music stations with local DJ's in Vancouver. This article also claims that radio is slowly gaining listeners. https://www.vancitylookout.com/p/in-the-face-of-algorithms-a...

i suspect there is a fairly large group of people who still listen to the radio---but only in the car. Once they park the car, radio ceases to exist.

Re: It's a shame what's happened to radio

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Not the app itself of course. What I meant to say is that classical music is the highest level of musical culture.

That’s what I was asking. Why do you think that is true? Seems like the most subjective thing possible.

That classical music is the highest level of musical culture? I didn't think anybody would need an explanation, it's generally understood. And for somebody who doesn't understand, it would be impossible to explain in words. It's about as subjective as saying that nothing can be more beautiful than nature.

But not all classical music is great or even good. That hindered me for years from listening more to classical music, because I thought that I couldn't understand some works which I listened to. Then I realized some of it is just bad, and there's nothing more to it.

Re: It's a shame what's happened to radio

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Once upon a time in Southern Germany, there was the one and only C-Team... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GRBn7Vn2U0&t=775s Obviously it loses a lot if you don't speak German, but they were very funny and silly and interacted with their fans a lot, to say the least.

I don't know how it worked in Germany but in the Netherlands the government had a monopoly on broadcasting. Their public radio stations did not play rock and roll and was not in tune with "youth culture".

We had SWF3 with Anke Engelke. WDR with specials(Electronic mostly). BFBS(British Forces Broadcasting Services).

In and around Bonn, in the 80ies. Guess there have been more, but they were out of reception range.

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