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Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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Re: Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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> Decries AI for producing slop > Uses AI to produce website

The article isn't even about AI slop other than the title for some reason

It's a clever title because it's FREE MONEY on HN. There is a small but rabid group that upvotes everything that denigrates AI, sight unseen.

Re: Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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It's sad now to see a university library where students sit among endless shelves of amazing books, sitting on laptops, almost all of them with ChatGPT open. The library has become just a place to sit and open an LLM.

The most sad part of all is to think how little of that knowledge is digitized and available to be referenced by ChatGPT. Digitizing old books is one of the highest things you can do as a human for “good for the world”.

Re: Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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post #23

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those people will also start adopting the AIsm and will become indistinguishable.

AI adopted humanisms, we just weren’t used to seeing them at the same scale we do today. Diversity of writing styles was part of that, but I’d point to vernacular exposure as the larger component. We’re going to go through a period where we try to adapt to a form of “Universal English” for those of us who read primarily English writing. Other languages’ readers may be experiencing the same dissonance when they come a…

> we just weren’t used to seeing them at the same scale we do today.

I think there's also a lot of recency bias in it. The same thing that makes you suddenly notice how many people are driving the same model car you just looked at, or how many ads there are for Turbo Encabulators after you read an article about them. A lot of the "tells" people picked out in early AI are tells because they're also really common in the material that the AI was trained on and the styles it was made to emulate. But until everyone wanted "one quick trick" to pick out AI writings, people didn't have any particular reason to need to notice those tells and so they slipped under the radar.

Re: Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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post #17

Very neat site and write-up, but I found this part amusing: > There is really nothing “AI” about this aside from the tool that collected the data and coded it, and, crucially, semantic search […] So really, everything about it is AI. And that’s not a bad thing! It’s okay to simultaneously preach the superiority of award winning books over AI-generated garbage while also acknowledging the same AI as a valuable tool fo…

Key word being tool. People get lost in a fantasy that the AI was responsible for decisions and not the human who chose to use it as a replacement for effort rather than a tool to enhance effort, then apply their bias to all AI use.

Re: Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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On a related note, I was just noting to my co-founder, as we struggle to write good case studies for our website, that I find LLMs are astoundingly bad at writing good prose. We all know the "AI-tics" that give away a sloppily AI-written piece, but even if you steer them, they still struggle to write consistently high-quality prose. Somehow I feel that the work of a good copywriter has never been more noticeable.

I gave Claude Fable $25 in Pangram API credits and, after hundreds of attempts, it was unable to produce a single readable original piece of writing that was not immediately identified as AI. This seems to be a hard problem for LLMs, as passing would probably require good self-perception ("oh no, I am writing like an AI!") and fine-grained control over its own output ("let's write like a human instead!").

I wonder if it partially because "write like a human" is kind of a vacuous request. Like, it's the objective everyone including me has been saying that we want, but there's no one way to write like a human and and humans don't even have a good definition past "I know it when I see it."

There's a lot of work in the humanities about different aspects of good writing, but that's not quite the same thing. And anyway they tend to assume a pre-existing level of writing ability. Students are supposed to learn good writing through practice; there are rules and exercises but they're incomplete.

Re: Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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post #29

I participate book club for several years with friends, we casually navigate certain topics, and i can tell you human slop in literature is a real thing. - almost every book try to stretch core idea into book size format - unique ideas are rare people attack them under different angels - a later phenomena : their believes almost predict entire book, outcomes etc, brainwash impact is real so not sure, how ai slop is b…

They’ve used a pretty good filter for the human slop - prestigious awards.

Re: Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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One thing that would make this information even more useful and searchable would be a JSON dump of your dataset. You could serve it statically on S3 or similar, to keep hosting costs to a minimum. Of course, having created a cool thing generates no obligation for further work on your part! I'm grateful that you did this work and made it available for free. Did you build your semantic search index based on the full te…

Already tried to do this in a basic form. Advice from experts would be welcome as it's my first time trying to make data and an API available: https://book-prize-index.vercel.app/data Also I just had to upgrade my Vercel plan due to traffic, which is very welcome and appreciated, but if anyone wants to donate, that would be really helpful! There's a Stripe link at the site: https://book-prize-index.vercel.app

Donated happily. Long-time book lover and am always looking for my next favorite read.

Thank you for building this!

Re: Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that would make this information even more useful and searchable would be a JSON dump of your dataset. You could serve it statically on S3 or similar, to keep hosting costs to a minimum. Of course, having created a cool thing generates no obligation for further work on your part! I'm grateful that you did this work and made it available for free. Did you build your semantic search index based on the full te…

Already tried to do this in a basic form. Advice from experts would be welcome as it's my first time trying to make data and an API available: https://book-prize-index.vercel.app/data Also I just had to upgrade my Vercel plan due to traffic, which is very welcome and appreciated, but if anyone wants to donate, that would be really helpful! There's a Stripe link at the site: https://book-prize-index.vercel.app

Oh awesome, you're way ahead of me!

The JSON downloads quickly and had all the info I needed.

Re: Quality non-fiction books are the antithesis of AI slop

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post #50

possibly a bug - I searched for "writers like lewis thomas" and the top two results were by thomas himself.

On a similar note: on Steam, the original Dark Souls game[1] is listed with the "souls-like" tag. That's not wrong, I guess, but just kind of a tautology. Grice's maxims[2] generally have such tautologies omitted in ordinary conversation as non-informative.

[1]: https://store.steampowered.com/app/570940/DARK_SOULS_REMASTE...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_principle

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