“We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

Post by linkregister » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 9:49 PM UTC

asadotzler wrote: post #327

linkregister wrote: post #301

Commenters are overlooking the significance of this information and posting emotional reactions based on perceptions of fairness or feelings of schadenfreude. The economic viability of Anthropic and OpenAI rely on their being able to charge more for model access than their R&D and inference costs. If the market price for SOTA model access drops below that level, then these businesses will have to decide whether to co…

s/announcement/claim You don't get to call Moonshot's a "claim" and this political hack's an "announcement." They're the same thing. Treat them the same. Diction designed to favor one of two equal positions is some weak sauce.

Post by linkregister » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 9:52 PM UTC

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #189

linkregister wrote: post #167

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It matters because the closed-source frontier labs spend lots of money on human data (RLHF / RLAIF with human oversight). Moonshot is accused of circumventing these costs. Frontier labs add research costs into their inference pricing. If the market doesn't permit them to sustain sufficient pricing to have a positive cash flow, then their business prospects become weaker and they risk insolvency. Furthermore, other le…

My parents put in countless hours and tens of thousands of dollars into raising me to the point where I could write an answer on StackOverflow And OpenAI scraped and distilled that answer and gave me nothing

Post by softwaredoug » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 9:54 PM UTC

trollbridge wrote: post #287

softwaredoug wrote: post #166

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If they did this in the US they would almost certainly be sued. Meta, for examples, doesn’t want employees to use Claude Code due to distillation risk.

It turns out U.S. law doesn’t have jurisdiction across the entire world, nor does Anthropic and OAI’s rather blatant attempt to buy government influence.

Post by giaour » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 9:55 PM UTC

breppp wrote: post #467

foo12bar wrote: post #398

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The models were built using copyrighted works, so why can't models be built using other models?

Because model output is probably far closer to software or a licensed work which possibly has greater protections than it is to copyright. There is far less possibility of fair use, it might be protected by patents, license or reverse engineering laws. In any case the laws are being written now, but I doubt these will have worse protection than software does, which has far better protections than copyright

Post by softwaredoug » Wed, Jul 22, 2026, 9:57 PM UTC

gozucito wrote: post #477

softwaredoug wrote: post #317

OpenAI and Anthropic should enter into distillation agreements with other US labs. Turn a threat into a profit center. Other US labs cannot directly distill from OpenAI/Anthropic as it’s a violation of the terms of service. It holds other US labs back. Leading them to build second tier models And in the end OpenAI/Anthropic may be unable to prevent distillation. Why fight it when there’s clear money to make here?

OpenAI/Anthropic are already charging for access to their closed models. They're getting paid. They are also not interested in agreements. They want to keep as big a moat as possible because they love money. And you need two to tango.