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Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing?

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Re: Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing?

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I find it humorous that the animal + plane combo appears to be such an outlier. I assume this is due to the models assuming the user mean plain and misspelled it in the prompt.

GLM has 2 combos of "on a plane" literally sitting inside a plane, with a window and a bit of wing showing. That's funny.

... Is that not how it should be interpreted?

Re: Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing?

#92
Why let your dreams be dreams? This is a perfect example of following a hypothesis. I love when people dive into an esoteric subject and just go full swing. Reminds me a CGP Grey and the name Tiffany. Sometimes you just need to know.

Re: Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing?

#93

The pelican prompt is ridiculous. Test the LLLM against things you want it to do. Asking questions that are absurd is like interviewing developers and asking absurd questions on the grounds that it tests creative and critical thinking. Remember these Microsoft interview questions designed to identify the best developers? "If you could eliminate one U.S. state, which one would it be?" "How would you move Mount Fuji?"…

> Asking questions that are absurd is like interviewing developers and asking absurd questions on the grounds that it tests creative and critical thinking.

Yes; what's wrong with that?

Do you suppose that it doesn't test those qualities?

Re: Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law "Any observed statistical regularity will tend to collapse once pressure is placed upon it for control purposes." Or the more pop layman version "When a measure becomes a metric/KPI, it ceases to be a good measure." Story time, I live in Argentina, and we don't have Big Macs, the main Mc Donald's brand, here, because during the CFK presidency, one of her tactics was to G…

How did the president manage to influence McDonalds' local business decisions? And how did that lead to McDonald's pulling out of the country?

Re: Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing?

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This is fantastic I've been casually spot-checking other animals in other vehicles, because my absolute dream situation here is to catch an AI lab that's demonstrably better at pelicans on bicycles than other combinations. Catching a lab cheating specifically on my one dumb benchmark would be really funny . Dylan's methodology here - generating 1008 SVGs across an 8x6 combination - is significantly more robust than a…

What if they’re not pelicanmaxxing, but svgmaxxxing in general? Because otherwise using a LLM to generate complex svgs is pretty niche and what I thought made this a good benchmark when it was new - generalized programming and spatial knowledge. Obviously image gen in svg format is not a particularly hard problem if tackled directly on its own.

Then it's great. A year ago I couldn't get any AI to draw a simple company logo in SVG or even convert from raster. No doubt the Pelicans put pressure on the labs to fix the awful SVG situation. Now I can even make a decent Peli in 3D.

Re: Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing?

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's a genuine worthwhile capability. It's like benchmarkmaxxing on a weightlifting competition by getting really strong.

How useful actually is this? It generates SVGs of pelicans on bicycles, sure, and some of them are (almost) spatially correct. But, none of them look good . AI image generation suffers from this more generally. You can generate pictures of pelicans, sure. Newer models clearly generate images with more pelican-ness than before. But all of it is still uglier than sin. Drawing things accurately is one thing, making resu…

Great for charts, illustrations etc, can do much more with SVG than pretty pictures. Good spatial understanding in an SVG can be really nice for model to have

Re: Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing?

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that's a genuine worthwhile capability. It's like benchmarkmaxxing on a weightlifting competition by getting really strong.

How useful actually is this? It generates SVGs of pelicans on bicycles, sure, and some of them are (almost) spatially correct. But, none of them look good . AI image generation suffers from this more generally. You can generate pictures of pelicans, sure. Newer models clearly generate images with more pelican-ness than before. But all of it is still uglier than sin. Drawing things accurately is one thing, making resu…

Just today I asked Claude Fable to take an SVG map and add a circle with a 150 mile radius around a specific city, cutting off the circle at the edge of certain boundaries. It came back a minute later with more or less exactly what I wanted, saving me maybe 5 to 10 minutes of photoshop time. It’s almost certainly not perfect, but I didn’t need it to be perfect, just a legible representation for a group of 20ish people.

Re: Are AI labs pelicanmaxxing?

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post #17

This is fantastic I've been casually spot-checking other animals in other vehicles, because my absolute dream situation here is to catch an AI lab that's demonstrably better at pelicans on bicycles than other combinations. Catching a lab cheating specifically on my one dumb benchmark would be really funny . Dylan's methodology here - generating 1008 SVGs across an 8x6 combination - is significantly more robust than a…

What if they’re not pelicanmaxxing, but svgmaxxxing in general? Because otherwise using a LLM to generate complex svgs is pretty niche and what I thought made this a good benchmark when it was new - generalized programming and spatial knowledge. Obviously image gen in svg format is not a particularly hard problem if tackled directly on its own.

SVG are really useful you can create images that don't have the AI look
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