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Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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That usage is not a generic payment usage. This is a use case it is good for. But if 8 billion people should use Bitcoin for their everyday shopping, that is a totally different case...

Wire transfer is better?

Way to not read the comment. Or at least understand it. Nobody uses wire transfer for "everyday shopping".

Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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This was thr original intent of thr Satoshi paper, except BTC is probably the worst payment network you can think about, which is why it failed to gain any use as such over the past 18 years…

Worst for whom? Lack of chargeback risk seems nice for businesses.

Only if they're on the receiving end. You need to remember that businesses also buy things, and often by credit card.

Chargebacks exist in the real world because long, long ago people recognized that electronic payment systems are fertile soil for scammers. The "lack of chargeback risk" that cryptobros keep chirping about is nowhere near the flex they think it is.

Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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Worst for whom? Lack of chargeback risk seems nice for businesses.

Only if they're on the receiving end. You need to remember that businesses also buy things, and often by credit card. Chargebacks exist in the real world because long, long ago people recognized that electronic payment systems are fertile soil for scammers. The "lack of chargeback risk" that cryptobros keep chirping about is nowhere near the flex they think it is.

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Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was thr original intent of thr Satoshi paper, except BTC is probably the worst payment network you can think about, which is why it failed to gain any use as such over the past 18 years…

Worst for whom? Lack of chargeback risk seems nice for businesses.

Until customers don't want to but because they are afraid they have no way to get their money back if anything goes wrong.

(Chargeback exists for a reason, and the reason isn't to piss off businesses).

Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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Worst for whom? Lack of chargeback risk seems nice for businesses.

Only if they're on the receiving end. You need to remember that businesses also buy things, and often by credit card. Chargebacks exist in the real world because long, long ago people recognized that electronic payment systems are fertile soil for scammers. The "lack of chargeback risk" that cryptobros keep chirping about is nowhere near the flex they think it is.

This! And this is why the “crypto” world is full of scams and heists, in a way that anyone with a brain could have foreseen from the start.

Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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post #64

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Worst for whom? Lack of chargeback risk seems nice for businesses.

Until customers don't want to but because they are afraid they have no way to get their money back if anything goes wrong. (Chargeback exists for a reason, and the reason isn't to piss off businesses).

It's nice to have the option either way, but if merchants offer irreversible methods I usually pick them rather than pay a 1+% premium to cover chargebacks from scammer customers. For some customers irreversible is a big plus, if they trust the merchant.

Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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American-style words are really hard these days. I thought 'open' meant source code is available, but at some point, starting with OpenAI, it seems like 'open' has come to mean 'we'll open your wallet.

And that isn't even the original meaning either! "open source" in reference to software was itself a term stolen from the intelligence community.

"open" is simply a vague word that you are assigning more meaning to than it actually means.

Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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post #35

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They are both useful. Monero is a bit more tricky to use, there is no concept of Lightning network, you still have to wait around 7 minutes for the transaction to settle. It's not bad, but it is different. The transparency in Bitcoin is a feature not a bug.

CIA uses Bitcoin for intelligence gathering: https://cryptobriefing.com/cia-bitcoin-intelligence-gatherin... Really? Did we IT people decide giving up privacy for security is a good idea?

It's hardly just them. This tech has been commercialized for over a decade.

https://www.chainalysis.com/blockchain-intelligence/

They also do work to deanonymize other blockchains, including monero.

Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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post #28

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I sent a transfer from the UAE to Spain and another one to the Netherlands. They took 5 days and 7 days respectively. The same transfer takes 10 minutes in Bitcoin. You don't do transfers to pay for stuff at the grocery store, the same way you would not pay using the Bitcoin network. You would use lightning network, which takes less than 2 seconds finality.

That usage is not a generic payment usage. This is a use case it is good for. But if 8 billion people should use Bitcoin for their everyday shopping, that is a totally different case...

Well you wouldn't use Bitcoin itself to exchange on, you'd use side layers like Lightning payments for the near instantaneous exchange which then gets aggregated into one of the upcoming blocks.

MasterCard was around in the 1950's, in 2026 they do not still use the same method of exchanging money as they did back then and have had to make big changes to their systems as time has gone on, Bitcoin does the same thing except it's not controlled by a banking cartel but by all it's userbase.

Re: OpenNode – Bitcoin Payment Processor

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Worst for whom? Lack of chargeback risk seems nice for businesses.

Only if they're on the receiving end. You need to remember that businesses also buy things, and often by credit card. Chargebacks exist in the real world because long, long ago people recognized that electronic payment systems are fertile soil for scammers. The "lack of chargeback risk" that cryptobros keep chirping about is nowhere near the flex they think it is.

It's a flex when you compare it to a government based currency where the bank or government can freeze your bank accounts or just empty it. Plenty of stories from The USA and Canada from the last decade of that very thing being done.
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