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Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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“However, large-scale, covert industrial distillation aimed at stealing proprietary U.S. technology and undermining American research is unacceptable.”

What’s actually happening behind the scenes is that certain inference providers will classify a prompt and it’s re-routed transparently to Anthropic and that’s used for distillation training, only distilling the complicated traces they need, originating from real user prompts and traces. These inference providers are explicitly blocked in the claude cli if you reverse engineer it.

The real picture is that these Chinese labs have figured out how to get exactly what they need, at a high quality, directly from distinct and unique real user prompts.

It’s only “covert” because Anthropic doesn’t like it, while simultaneously being perfectly fine to do.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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So what is the issue here? Distilling is still fair, on the same level like Anthropic scraped copyright protected material for their training. So here robbers are blaming robbers? These claims are just pointless, everytime

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Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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> /giphy nobody cares SpongeBob meme Can you please not do this here? There's nothing wrong with it, we're just trying for something else on this site. " Don't be snarky. [...] Omit internet tropes. [...etc...] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Genuinely want to know if you're surprised that there have been almost no commenters concurring with (what seems to be) a well-substantiated (& on the face of it defensibly center-right) tweet from the WH

Will contrarian dynamic take off here?

Will it be flagged? Will you unflag it?

Edit: catigula, mattrighetti

With more substantive technical comments towards the middle

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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So what is the issue here? Distilling is still fair, on the same level like Anthropic scraped copyright protected material for their training. So here robbers are blaming robbers? These claims are just pointless, everytime

> on the same level like Anthropic scraped copyright protected material for their training. I see no problem with distillation, on the other hand the complete dismissal of copyright by AI labs is pretty bad, I don’t think we should put them at the same level

The amount of original, copyrightable and trademarkable IP actually created by the AI labs themselves is dwarfed by their staggeringly vast infringement activities.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

#97

Assuming they did then they surely paid for them, which makes it "not stealing". Am I also "stealing proprietary U.S. technology" by harvesting my Claude chats from my `.claude` directory and training a bunch of models on them? That said, I doubt the "they distilled Fable" is the reason why K3 is as good as it is, considering the timelines involved, and that Anthropic hides thinking traces, and their overly aggressiv…

> harvesting my Claude chats from my `.claude` directory

Just reminded me to set a backup on that directory. Just in case someone sees it fit to override my setting to preserve my chats for 10k years.

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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post #55

So what is the issue here? Distilling is still fair, on the same level like Anthropic scraped copyright protected material for their training. So here robbers are blaming robbers? These claims are just pointless, everytime

> So what is the issue here?

The issue seems to be the US only likes competition when it is winning. Markets in Asia are meant for cheap labor and resources, they're not meant to actually compete. /s

Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”

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So what is the issue here? Distilling is still fair, on the same level like Anthropic scraped copyright protected material for their training. So here robbers are blaming robbers? These claims are just pointless, everytime

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