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Re: OpenAI Presence

#31

Post by jmalicki »

pgroves wrote: post #27

This approach seems to be everywhere. But if you have a defined workflow, requirements, clear permissions, etc, it makes more sense to feed them to codex once and have it build a website that can be audited once and then runs deterministically. Code reuse is well understood if you want to build on past work. There's a large group of people who can't really do that, I know, but they shouldn't be building bots that hav…

This sounds like it's for when you don't have a defined workflow and it helps you iterate on defining it by being deployed and identifying gaps.

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#32

Post by avgDev »

No thank you.

This has a lot of words with very little information. Having codex make changes to code because someone made a request to IT is insane, even if it needs approval.

Idk man, I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

I use codex everyday but I plan the work and codex performs the work bit by bit, which allows me to review every piece of code. I would not sleep well not knowing what is in production.

Re: OpenAI Presence

#33

Post by usernametaken29 »

greyface- wrote: post #24

Instead of throwing an LLM on top of it, just give me direct access to the levers that the agent is allowed to pull on my behalf. A sufficiently motivated attacker will be able to sweet talk the agent around whatever natural language "guardrails" were put in place, anyway.

Maybe the LLM doomsday won’t be self aware AI but instead everyone will be able to alter anything in any customer service backend in any way they want to the point we bankrupt all the banks and insurance agencies and governments. Yikes

Re: OpenAI Presence

#34

Post by avgDev »

sauercrowd wrote: post #3

I'm pretty impressed how openai is both extremly verticalized but also building products across the whole depth of that stack. Not sure if they're just trying to find what the abstractions are worth focusing, or if it will stay that way, but certainly cool to see how much they're trying out.

They have everyone's attention. They have access to newest AI stuff. They can say, "we need ideas to make money, don't make mistakes, generate the code, make a marketing post".

However, reality is different and unpredictable.

Re: OpenAI Presence

#35

Post by mrmiraclebr »

avgDev wrote: post #32

No thank you. This has a lot of words with very little information. Having codex make changes to code because someone made a request to IT is insane, even if it needs approval. Idk man, I feel like I am taking crazy pills. I use codex everyday but I plan the work and codex performs the work bit by bit, which allows me to review every piece of code. I would not sleep well not knowing what is in production.

If it leaves less work for me to do, count me in.

Re: OpenAI Presence

#36

Post by BugsJustFindMe »

mrmiraclebr wrote: post #35
avgDev wrote: post #32

No thank you. This has a lot of words with very little information. Having codex make changes to code because someone made a request to IT is insane, even if it needs approval. Idk man, I feel like I am taking crazy pills. I use codex everyday but I plan the work and codex performs the work bit by bit, which allows me to review every piece of code. I would not sleep well not knowing what is in production.

If it leaves less work for me to do, count me in.

I don't know about you, but I still live in a world where if people don't do work then they soon after don't have a place to live or enough food to eat.

Re: OpenAI Presence

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Post by Someone1234 »

mrmiraclebr wrote: post #35
avgDev wrote: post #32

No thank you. This has a lot of words with very little information. Having codex make changes to code because someone made a request to IT is insane, even if it needs approval. Idk man, I feel like I am taking crazy pills. I use codex everyday but I plan the work and codex performs the work bit by bit, which allows me to review every piece of code. I would not sleep well not knowing what is in production.

If it leaves less work for me to do, count me in.

Less work today or less work tomorrow?

The problem with "someone makes a request, code changes happen automatically, and all someone else has to do for that to be committed is mash approve" doesn't strike me as a way to create a maintainable code-base.

The changes may even work, and may technically fulfill the request, but the agent cannot know the design intent or process intent. Today there may be a programmer sitting between the request and approval, but what about tomorrow? Might it be a non-technical or barely technical middle manager?

Re: OpenAI Presence

#38

Post by jmalicki »

olucas wrote: post #19

I wonder if this is really the best timing to release a new product. Why would an enterprise customer choose an OpenAI solution when it's all over the news one of their agents "went rogue"?

You mean, it figured out how to drive to a solution to customer needs!

Re: OpenAI Presence

#39

Post by NichoPaolucci »

“The challenge for enterprises is no longer proving that AI agents can work, it’s making them reliable enough to do high-value work in production.”

This reads poorly to me. So they’ve proven the models CAN work, but they also say in the next line that they CANNOT do high value work in production.

No other comments from me but that first two sentence opener should have been massaged a bit. I’m sure they have a PR / messaging person (agent?) though, so maybe I’m reading too far into it.

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