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Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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Post by rationalist »

fluoridation wrote: post #518
rationalist wrote: post #508

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Wow, you all do not stop. You've been grinding your ax so long now, it could cut a hair. If you were a Scout, you would know your ax should not be that sharp.

Not an answer to my question. If you feel ganged up on, perhaps it's time to stop posting.

No, I'm not going to call you a liar since you didn't specify the Boy Scouts of America and there are 100+ Scouting programs in different countries across the world.

The Boy Scouts of America program has only been in English until just last year (they just released the Spanish version of their Handbook last year, and now they have a Mandarin version too). Anyone who doesn't know the world "Scoutmaster" and claims to have been in the Boy Scouts of America, is very odd... I'm only calling those people liars.

Holy moly. If you thought I was calling you a liar, perhaps you should stop posting. But if you want to continue to grind your ax, since you asked me a question, I'll ask you one: do you have a bias?

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Post by KaiserPro »

giantg2 wrote: post #512
KaiserPro wrote: post #479

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> will switch to knives and screwdrivers as we see in the UK London, with a population of ~8 million has the same murder rate as new Orleans, which is 300k people. Not as in x murders per 100k, but as in total murders in a city. In terms of knife crime the USA has a slightly _higher_ rate of knife crime than the UK. Bear in mind the UK counts attacks with knifes as knife crimes, where as the states only appear to inc…

If we want to compare cities to New Orleans, then you might as well compare them them to Birmingham. Even with firearms being banned you have a murder rate of 28/100k vs 40/100k. Violent crime between the cities is actually equal at 55/1k. Yeah, stabbing deaths UK vs US is about half (175/70M UK vs 1600/350M US). But if comparing at the national level, 360/100k US vs 1200/100k UK. So it really comes down to each pers…

> 360/100k US vs 1200/100k UK.

Sorry but 1200 knife deaths per 100k means the annual rate would be 840,000 murders a year.

last year the total number of murders in the UK was ~600 which is .86 per 100k

(far less than the _gun_ related homicides in the US: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/04/28/what-the-...)

The reason why I was talking about knife homicides specifically is that comparing knife crime between the us and the uk is hard. the UK systematically records crimes where knives are involved at a national level, the USA doesn't really.

But brum has a murder rate twice that of the national average. Even so its not 28/100k its around 1.25/100k which is still just over a quarter of the _national_ gun homicide rate of the entire USA.(~4.3/100k)

The point is, the UK is demonstrably less murderous than the USA. Even the UKs most murderous city is safer than Sanjose, which accordign to the stats I can find has a 3.2/100k murder rate.

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Post by aljgz »

ebbi wrote: post #287
aljgz wrote: post #118

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Really sad. I read a lot of psychology. But I've never encountered psychology of child sexual abuse (I know there is if I look it up, but that's my point, it should be shared around, discussed, challenged). Why would some adults find kids sexually attractive? Is it abusive/aggressive behavior manifesting itself in sexuality? Or is it sexuality channeled in the wrong direction? If it's the second, is it out of despera…

I can't reply with stats, but I sometimes get in a bit of a loop watching the 'pred vs catcher' videos on social media. After having watched what would probably be hundreds (across the US and UK), you start to see some patterns on offenders: - The ones that are obviously mentally ill/brain development issues - they're adults but act and talk like a child. With some of the interactions with this cohort, some/many don'…

Thanks, as a software engineer, always a problem solver, who just follows an dreams of solutions to social problems (I've once led a software project for one of these, but not more), breaking down the mega category of abusers into subcategories with mechanics of their actions changes my mindset from useless anger into a problem solving one.

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Post by fluoridation »

rationalist wrote: post #521
fluoridation wrote: post #518

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Not an answer to my question. If you feel ganged up on, perhaps it's time to stop posting.

No, I'm not going to call you a liar since you didn't specify the Boy Scouts of America and there are 100+ Scouting programs in different countries across the world. The Boy Scouts of America program has only been in English until just last year (they just released the Spanish version of their Handbook last year, and now they have a Mandarin version too). Anyone who doesn't know the world "Scoutmaster" and claims to…

Redundant question. Everyone has biases.

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Post by zyx321 »

kelnos wrote: post #375
throwaway17824 wrote: post #309

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I'm taking a guess at what the OP meant, but people focus on assault rifles and high-capacity magazines. Supposedly most incidents and deaths are caused by handguns. They're more affordable, and easy to discretely keep on your person. A data-driven policy would focus on them first, but it's easier to rile up the public about AR-15s so we keep doing the less-effective thing.

Are handgun deaths predominantly murder, or are they mostly accidents? If the latter, then I don't think it's odd to go after AR-15-type weapons, which usually end up killing people during mass shooting incidents.

Predominantly suicide, actually. Which is committed with whatever is conveniently at hand, and reducing convenience reduces incidence.

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Post by throwaway-blaze »

yonaguska wrote: post #503
belorn wrote: post #465

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Rifles are problematic as a single category since that involves hunting rifles. We can look at machine guns as a category that is neither rifle or handgun, and with limited use in hunting. That said, the death rate of machine gun ownership may still be lower than handgun ownership, with a possible explanation being that it is easier to buy a handgun compared to a machine gun. A further jump into the data would then e…

Full auto handguns are quite popular now despite being effectively illegal.

This is simply untrue, there are no full auto handguns legally sold to the public. Semiautomatic yes. And yes, some guns are way too easy to convert to full auto.

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Post by pixl97 »

rationalist wrote: post #511
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Ya I personally don't believe it myself. Schools have legal demands on reporting. Every church I had went to when I was young covered CSA up and ensured the perpetrators were never brought to justice.

Flat earthers do not believe the world is round, yet it is. Feel free to read my comment I posted hours ago, with a link.

I mean, the earth isn't exactly trying to hide that it is round, religious criminals are.

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Post by KaiserPro »

john_strinlai wrote: post #506
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I just looked it up, its the ncmec.org annual report, the one I am referencing is from 2024, not 2021. I mis remembered Apple reported 250 items Instagram 3.1million whatsapp 1.1 million facebook 8.8million tiktok 1.3 million snapchat 1.1million Look I hate meta, more than you would know. But apple have very little excuse here. Even Anthropic reported more CSAM than them. I get your point about group vs 1:1, but fran…

> Apple reported 250 items Instagram 3.1million whatsapp 1.1 million facebook 8.8million tiktok 1.3 million snapchat 1.1million those numbers seem absolutely in line with what i would expect when comparing the largest social media platforms on the planet and a company that does 0 social media and extremely limited group sharing. it seems very strange to me to put any blame apple here when its just a statistics game.…

Sorry but this is denial. I know I'm not going to change your mind, however:

> it seems very strange to me to put any blame apple here when its just a statistics game. billions of image posts = millions of reports. simple as.

Apple's platform hosts billions of messages and photos. It is the Paedophile’s choice for distributing images and videos. The problem for us is Apple's halfarsedness in tackling this leads to clientside scanning or backdoors in encryption. They are not doing anything at all to stop this, and compared to whatsapp of all fucking apps, they are doing nothing.

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Post by selicos »

amazingamazing wrote: post #4

It is crazy people think apple isnt on the side of privacy. Are they perfect? Not even close, but compared to the rest of big tech theyre simply on another level. Apple could easily not do this stuff and it may even be easier to not.

Their level is set where it best feeds their revenue. Their security plays equally as well into their walled garden.

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Post by bigyabai »

nozzlegear wrote: post #308
mikenew wrote: post #90

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Apple is on the side of privacy if it serves their marketing. Which is why they would rather build and normalize CLIENT SIDE CONTENT SCANNING so they can continue to market iCloud as "secure and private". If Apple's interests sometimes align with ours then great. I'll take it. But don't attribute to this ~5 trillion dollar company some kind of altruism.

> If Apple's interests sometimes align with ours then great. Altruism or not, I've found that their interests almost always align with mine when it comes to privacy.

I've found that Apple's interests are pretty fickle, concerning real-world security: https://www.securityweek.com/apple-suddenly-drops-nso-group-...
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