how is it possible to distill fable only a month after its release? maybe they are confusing opus with fable.
Create a couple thousand Claude max accounts and split the work amongst them perhaps.
“We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
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Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#12Kimi K3 was released July 16, Fable ban was lifted on July 1 but access was still limited.
How did Moonshot "distil" a huge model in such short time and still had time to run the benchmarks and do the usual release thingies?
I think Anthropic is desperate to stop foreign competition and the administration is happy to help because they too are heavily invested in these companies
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Plenty of HN readers feel this way and it's a good point, but it has also become an entirely cliché response which pops up like mushrooms anytime "distillation" appears. That means it's against the site guidelines, which ask: " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't mean to pick on you personally! It's just that reflexive responses…
Laughing at the idea of distillation being bad is exactly as cliche/flamebaity as complaining that your model got distilled. No more, no less.
At this point distillation is part of the ecosystem and everyone should embrace it. If distillation is a threat to one’s business model, then the business strategy needs to shift.
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#14"we have information" says a US Government official who almost certainly has had Anthropic and/or OpenAI on the phone spinning him stories.
See also, don't trust anyone in Trump's government who says "we have information".
"they distilled us" is fast becoming standard US FUD.
The same as people telling me with a serious face that the Chinese models are distilled just because it says "I am Claude".
I am not the only one, look at this post on interconnects about Kimi K3 for example:[1]
It should be clear looking at this model that if adversarial distillation from the closed frontier models in the U.S. contributed, it is at most to a relatively small degree. AI observers who followed the distillation panic and came away with the wrong conclusion that Chinese AI labs are only producing good models due to IP theft are in for an awakening – that Chinese companies are extremely good at building models in the same way the leading American companies are.
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#15how is it possible to distill fable only a month after its release? maybe they are confusing opus with fable.
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if they just found evidence of distillation once in 2025 against some Chinese AI lab, and they've been lying about the rest to create a narrative.
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Plenty of HN readers feel this way and it's a good point, but it has also become an entirely cliché response which pops up like mushrooms anytime "distillation" appears. That means it's against the site guidelines, which ask: " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't mean to pick on you personally! It's just that reflexive responses…
Laughing at the idea of distillation being bad is exactly as cliche/flamebaity as complaining that your model got distilled. No more, no less.
I have to agree. I've flagged the post.
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Plenty of HN readers feel this way and it's a good point, but it has also become an entirely cliché response which pops up like mushrooms anytime "distillation" appears. That means it's against the site guidelines, which ask: " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't mean to pick on you personally! It's just that reflexive responses…
Laughing at the idea of distillation being bad is exactly as cliche/flamebaity as complaining that your model got distilled. No more, no less.
sure but anthropic is not literally in the comments complaining, so it's not quite apples to apples, right?
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#18how is it possible to distill fable only a month after its release? maybe they are confusing opus with fable.
Distillation is a superficial step and doesn't need a lot of data, it's not "stealing the model" like they want everyone to believe. 99% of work is already done by that point. That said, it's pretty clear K3 has Claude's data in the training set (either Opus or Fable), as it repeats Anthropic's prompt injections. (not that it matters to anyone besides Anthropic themselves)
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#19rules for thee but not for me
Plenty of HN readers feel this way and it's a good point, but it has also become an entirely cliché response which pops up like mushrooms anytime "distillation" appears. That means it's against the site guidelines, which ask: " Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes. " - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I don't mean to pick on you personally! It's just that reflexive responses…
> it has also become an entirely cliché response
To be fair, that's also the case for the link itself we're discussing.
Re: “We have information that Moonshot distilled Fable for the development of K3”
#20I think they deserve, by Justice, to have their models pillaged and raped, just like they did to the internet. They didn't ask for permission when they took the entire of the internet, after all, and given their behaviour is nefarious, it's of Justice that they receive nefarious treatment by others, including chinese AI labs. The Chinese are not gonna deterred, but the posturing by the Americans is so blatantly hypoc…
I still believe taxing the bots, and implementing actual UBI, would address both problems.