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Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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This is a bit strange. Are they saying that Codeberg no longer accepts vibe coded projects at all? If so, it seems kind of short sighted. Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code. What then? And as the models improve, along with better code will come better bug fixing etc etc. So the quality of AI code will absolutely surpass that of human code. What then? Will the repositories demand proof of prog…

Codeberg is for free software.

Yes, exactly, that's why I like it.

Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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This is a bit strange. Are they saying that Codeberg no longer accepts vibe coded projects at all? If so, it seems kind of short sighted. Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code. What then? And as the models improve, along with better code will come better bug fixing etc etc. So the quality of AI code will absolutely surpass that of human code. What then? Will the repositories demand proof of prog…

The terms in question don't even mention quality issues. The argument is about the unclear copyright status of generated code. Also malware risk.

I don't understand the copyright issue. In many jurisdictions it's already established that AI produced content of any type attaches no copyright. The only copyright which is created comes from human manipulation of said AI content.

Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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Well, guess I will take my repositories elsewhere.

> Well, guess I will take my repositories elsewhere. When someone tells you "We cannot afford to support you anymore", do you also reply "Well, I'll take this burden to someone else who will be grateful to eat some cost in supporting me"?

Yes? Are you complaining people consume free services? Weird.

Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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Codeberg is just a nice logo wrapped around Forgejo/Gitea. I don't really see the appeal besides free hosting + some storage. People should either self-host a gitea/forgejo/gogs server for like 3$ a month on hetzner or just use gitea.com. If you want to share your repos, just use sharemygit.com and spread the repo on coding forums. Personally I find this a much better stimulant for a community, then just having free-…

Private repos are allowed, although with some restrictions: Private repositories are only allowed for things required for FLOSS projects, like storing secrets, team-internal discussions or hiding projects from the public until they're ready for usage and/or contribution. They are also allowed for really small & personal stuff like your journal, config files, ideas or notes, but explicitly not as a personal cloud or m…

Using codeberg over github makes no sense. Either you use github and github uses your data to train. Or you use codeberg and github just crawl all their content because codeberg doesn't allow non FOSS repos.

It's insane to love Codeberg. Codeberg serves no purpose at all. Besides the free stuff ofc.

Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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Dude, just read the TOS, jesus: https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#how-about-pri... It's not misinformation, just read their own page: If you use more than 100 MB of private storage for the use cases mentioned earlier, please send us a request and we can evaluate it. If you do not contribute to any free/libre software project at all, Codeberg is unfortunately not the right place for you. However, check ou…

...in what way whatsoever is this "They dont allow private repos"? The size limit is........a size limit, something every host should have; there's one for public codeberg repos too. And while there are restrictions on what private repos are allowed, there are also restrictions on what public repos are allowed too, and it's extremely clear that neither requirement is equivalent to "they don't allow [public / private]…

It doesn't matter. You don't shit where you eat. You can, but you shouldn't.

Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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Blunt purity tests administered by people with reductionist and categorical thinking.

The reality is that even tools produced by concentrated capital and mass appropriation can also increase the productive capacity of a small free-software project whose code remains available under copyleft. They're not "infected" and contagious. They're tools.

They can deskill and dispossess workers; they can extend what a particular worker is able to make. Which tendency dominates, under what conditions, and to whose benefit are material questions.

"AI bad" is not an answer to them, any more than tech-bro "innovation good" is.

Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

...in what way whatsoever is this "They dont allow private repos"? The size limit is........a size limit, something every host should have; there's one for public codeberg repos too. And while there are restrictions on what private repos are allowed, there are also restrictions on what public repos are allowed too, and it's extremely clear that neither requirement is equivalent to "they don't allow [public / private]…

It doesn't matter. You don't shit where you eat. You can, but you shouldn't.

Where I eat doesn't have a "WC" sign, walls separating it from public areas, and a toilet present. Codebergs private repos have a clear "private" label, infrastructure for making them, acknowledgement and rules for it in ToS, and they are kept private.

Anyway, originally I didn't quite agree with fs111 on straight up calling your post misinformation, but I guess it is indeed your intent to completely ignore facts and just say random garbage.

Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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Codeberg is for free software.

Yes, exactly, that's why I like it.

No, you don't. Because just upthread you said:

> Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code.

No it won't. But you outed yourself as a botlicker. So, off you go to somewhere that welcomes botlickers, then.

Re: Codeberg: ToU extension to prohibit LLM-extrusions

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This is a bit strange. Are they saying that Codeberg no longer accepts vibe coded projects at all? If so, it seems kind of short sighted. Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code. What then? And as the models improve, along with better code will come better bug fixing etc etc. So the quality of AI code will absolutely surpass that of human code. What then? Will the repositories demand proof of prog…

> What then? Then all digital systems will be compromised and our civilization will collapse. Without internet and computers, we would all be living happy farmer lives.

> our civilization will collapse

Well, we are heading for 2º C global warming by 2040, possibly by 2030. And the IPCC and others already pointed out that 2º means the end of civilisation.

So, it's coming anyway... but it's the nature of human fsck-ups that they come in clusters. That's why someone coined the term "clusterfsck".

So, we have multiple human fsckups coming along all together in the mid-2020s, just as we did in the mid-1930s.

Sketchy off the cuff chronology:

* Cheap COTS x86 hardware gets good enough to run free OSes from academia (good)

* Virtualisation forcibly brought to x86 in defiance of Popek and Goldberg (good)

* Broadband everywhere (good)

Result:

* Mainstream acceptance of FOSS (good)

Result:

* Cheap mass cloud computing (bad)

Side-effect: financial crisis -- the dot-com crash

Time passes. International travel gets cheaper. Internet facilitates global trade, globalisation, and awareness of inequalities. Only now you can afford to get there.

Some recovery, new internet startups.

Result:

* Free mass pesudonymous social media (bad)

Result:

* Weak poor post-communist régimes spread disinformation online in bulk

* Cryptocurrencies: imaginary internet money that destroys the climate, facilitates crime, destabilises financial systems

Result:

* International agreements weakened (NATO, EU, global finance, etc.)

* Another financial crisis

Same time:

* Really large scale cloud computing

* Cheaper travel facilitates a pandemic

* More money for internet and cloud companies

Result

* LLMs -- mechanically-recovered text extruders

* More, better disinformation; further geopolitical instability

Next:

* Mass scale climate collapse renders large countries and continents uninhabitable

* Kills cheap hi-tech factories

* Collapse of bot-slop poisoned tech industry

Result:

War.

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