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Re: Back to Kagi

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Post by moebrowne »

coldpie wrote: post #75

I've asked a number of times on HN threads for specific examples of searches that Kagi performs better on than DDG or Google, and never gotten a solid reply. It seems what people like about Kagi is the customization and surrounding tooling, but the actual search quality is about the same or possibly worse. That's cool, but I don't find it worth the cash personally.

> It seems what people like about Kagi is the customization and surrounding tooling, but the actual search quality is about the same

For me the quality of results is improved exactly because of the customization. Removing sites which I don't trust, are low quality, spammy, etc.

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Post by Novosell »

haburka wrote: post #54
SadTrombone wrote: post #49

Kagi is great, and I'd pay some amount of money for it, but $10/mth is simply too much for me personally to pay for a search engine. I understand why others do and enjoyed my Kagi experience, however. If only the $5 plan had more than 300 searches.

I have hit the 300 search limit once in a few years. It’s usually quite enough

I seem do to about 1000 searches a month, though I'm not sure if that's also including my partners usage.

Less than 10 searches a day is crazy to me :O

But I have quite PC-centric hobbies, I suppose.

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Post by cavoirom »

hyperionultra wrote: post #3

Does search engines still relevant enough in LLM age? My grandma and grandpa already using cgpt voice for anything related web search. And if this demography shifting, imagine youth…

FYI, Kagi has Assistant, the chat interface that do the search and summary for you, and you can custom it, limit the search scope.

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Post by coldpie »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #78
coldpie wrote: post #75

I've asked a number of times on HN threads for specific examples of searches that Kagi performs better on than DDG or Google, and never gotten a solid reply. It seems what people like about Kagi is the customization and surrounding tooling, but the actual search quality is about the same or possibly worse. That's cool, but I don't find it worth the cash personally.

Potentially as good as Google without the surveillance isn’t worth $50/yr? Also as a now-daily kagi user, I don’t know what sort of evidence you’re looking for. I search, the hits are good. You can just try it for free and not wait around for others to write a report for you. They give you 100 searches.

I have. Like I said, the results were the same or worse than DDG and Google. It was not noticeably better in any way, certainly not something I want to pay $50 for.

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Post by rsolva »

everfrustrated wrote: post #29

I feel sorry for Kagi. I've paid for the last couple of years as I support a better web search. But I've found my web searching is so small now with AI. I checked and I did less than 300 Kagi searches last month so downgraded my plan. I wish them the best but timing is a b**.

I use Kagi's search API with my agents, including their summarizer, and it has been great!

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Post by Larrikin »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #48
o_m wrote: post #17

I've subscribed to Kagi for three of years now. Kagi is still great, but it doesn't feel like "Google ten years ago" anymore. I don't think it is because Kagi got worse, rather it is the web that has become worse. The content nowadays kinda sucks.

imagine if we had a browser like kagi with its own engine from scratch where you are not the product and it charged you a monthly subscription for privacy free browsing

What's wrong with Firefox and AdNauseum?

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Post by recursive »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #14
poetril wrote: post #5

I feel like half of what I do on HN is talk about Kagi. I switch to Kagi in 2023, and haven't looked back. Between vim keybinds for navigating search, explicit AI opt-in, the ability to curate search (block sites, increase others), and more. It really lets me feel like I can control my search tool, and at least so far its felt like our interests are aligned, I give them money and they make sure search is as good as p…

I dont use it anywhere near as much because it felt like I was hitting their limits too quickly, not sure if that has changed.

I've subscribed for years. I've never hit a limit once.

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Post by temp0826 »

mihaaly wrote: post #68
SadTrombone wrote: post #49

Kagi is great, and I'd pay some amount of money for it, but $10/mth is simply too much for me personally to pay for a search engine. I understand why others do and enjoyed my Kagi experience, however. If only the $5 plan had more than 300 searches.

That plan comes with Kagi Assistant, which is more than enough with big selection of simple models for a great portion of AI assisted queries. If you need no advanced Ai tasks then that is way enough. Recently I started to get hold of the daily events with Kagi News, world, science, local news, AI, Cybersecurity, ... That gives a very good platform to have a broad overview quickly and as a jumping board into details…

If they offered a cheap plan ($2-3/mo) without the extras I'd sign up in a heartbeat. I happily pay for nextdns and being in that ballpark is reasonable to me.

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Post by samuell »

Cider9986 wrote: post #35

Brave is as good results as Kagi for me and more anonymity-focused, because your searches aren't tied to an account, but I like that Kagi has a simple business model. I would pay for either if I could pay 3 dollars or less per month with Monero.

I'll second the rec for Brave search. Been a happy user for at least 1-2 years now. Its AI summaries are great and, I have the feeling it works a little better than DuckDuckGo for some reason.

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Post by progval »

OneDeuxTriSeiGo wrote: post #79
dmrivers wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be interested in seeing that block list if you have it somewhere

Kagi nowadays has a feature called "SlopStop" that you can opt into. It's basically a global block list for LLM generated websites, etc that is shared across all users who opt into and anyone can report sites/content to it. Kagi of course reviews it but generally it's good enough that I don't see much LLM generated content in the results anymore.

> Kagi of course reviews it

They had quite some lag at the beginning. I made reports from the very day they announced it, and none of them were processed last month. But they are now! (Though they rejected half of them)

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