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LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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No need of (2) and (3) - the user can choose to not install/use the app. (1) is the right fair boundary.

Those apps just shouldn't exist. I don't know how "join your users to a botnet" became some kind of legitimized monetization scheme. Ads are bad enough. What's next? "Participate in a DDOS in order to use our app?"

It is the same as when javascript was used to mine cryptocurrency before web browsers blocked it, exploiting other users computers for unfair gain.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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> You'd think there might be legal consequences I own an airgapped LG TV. Does anyone actually want to go class action/mass arb?

Airgapped is harder than you might think. If your TV finds an open network (neigbours?) it will use that one. And it is only a matter of time before they have cellular capabilities too.

> If your TV finds an open network (neigbours?) it will use that one

I looked into this last year while researching TVs and couldn’t find anything to substantiate it.

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The difference is the user. Your average smart TV user doesn't know what a residential proxy is, hell who's installing/playing the games but children? Consumer regulation to protect consumers from a knowledge disparity that leads to uninformed consent isn't a bad thing imo.

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Isn’t this like arguing we shouldn’t have food standards because people should be free to decide what they put in their bodies?

Sure, in principle that’s true.

But in practice, is it really fair to expect everyone to understand the health risks of every possible ingredient?

Likewise here, is it fair to expect the average consumer to understand what it means to host a residential proxy? Or even what a residential proxy is?

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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They hardcode DNS servers into the TV. You need a firewall in front of the pihole intercepting that traffic, I use OpenWrt.

Given how cheap screens are, I'm puzzled as to why keeping a smart-ass TV is worth this effort?

I have that setup for my home network regardless. And my TV is the original C1 OLED, nothing compared when I got it. I wouldn't buy LG today.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Terms and conditions are not the get out of consumer protections free card that you think it is.

They are, unless governments actually crack down. A lack of enforcement actions has caused situations like this. Why would LG do better when it's cheaper to not?

I mostly agree, but it's the lack of enforcement that's the Get out of Jail Free card, not the T&C

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Unfortunately they make arguably the best OLEDs and webOS is pretty decent to use (especially compared to the terrible OS that Samsung and Sony run). I think the best thing people can do is update their firmware then disconnect it from the internet. Using an AppleTV or similar provides a better experience than any TVs built in apps anyway.

3 out of 4 OLED screens in my household suffer from burned pixels. It's the early 90s all over again with OLED.

You know your phone is OLED right? I'm assuming you left a still image on without the inbuilt screen refresher enabled or something? I remember seeing that way back in the early OLED days but not on good TVs in the last 8~ years.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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post #292

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Terms and conditions are not the get out of consumer protections free card that you think it is.

They are, unless governments actually crack down. A lack of enforcement actions has caused situations like this. Why would LG do better when it's cheaper to not?

Are there laws against clauses in the T&Cs that allow companies to arbitrarily change the said T&Cs? Are there laws against clauses that prevents consumers from suing companies? Unless there are, T&Cs absolutely are the get out of jail free card both on paper and in the real world.

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Isn’t this like arguing we shouldn’t have food standards because people should be free to decide what they put in their bodies? Sure, in principle that’s true. But in practice, is it really fair to expect everyone to understand the health risks of every possible ingredient? Likewise here, is it fair to expect the average consumer to understand what it means to host a residential proxy? Or even what a residential prox…

The industry has proved again and again and again over the past two decades that surveillance, manipulation, and profiteering is all they care about, and the public is wising up to this fact. "We're screwing you clueless people for your own sake" is no longer effective as a thought terminating cliche and can only create stronger animosity towards the industry.
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