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Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Aaron Swartz founded Reddit in the same way that Elon Musk founded Tesla, but without the money.

Right with his tech skills instead of money.

No, he was added later to an already existing project and claimed credit for it.

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He wasn’t just some famous redditor. Aaron Swartz helped create Reddit and invented RSS. If I put my conspiracy theory hat one and I always get piled on for this theory in other online communities but I think it could be possible. The theory is I think Aaron found some very dark stuff while exploring the MIT private networks, things that he was not supposed to see and could be very damaging to a lot people if they we…

Aaron Swartz founded Reddit in the same way that Elon Musk founded Tesla, but without the money.

No Aaron joined reddit through a merger of the company he co-founded, where he was a developer. Musk just threw money at it

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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So now that we have a magical paraphrasing machine, we can just run any copyrighted work through it to remove the copyright? Cool, I get a GPL version of Microsoft Office.

Yes exactly. That's basically what an emulator for a games console is for example, a reimplementation of the original.

So a console game loses its copyright if you emulate it?

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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So now that we have a magical paraphrasing machine, we can just run any copyrighted work through it to remove the copyright? Cool, I get a GPL version of Microsoft Office.

That’s what a brain is

Why do companies bother with the Chinese wall technique, then?

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

It's easy to beat up on OpenAI and Anthropic, because they have lots of money and knowingly broke the law, but writing the book was onetime work too. Do we really want to turn everything into recurring revenue stream to skim of? How would that even work for an open weights model? Would you say the same about a human educating themselves from a book? The answer has to be more than pearl clutching for poor starving little authors (and the not so poor class action lawyers).

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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As far as I'm concerned, the courts are wrong, and training on ill gotten copyrighted material is not fair use. Given the clear value of highly trained LLMs, the investment they have taken on, and the amount of disruption to the existing economy they stand to make, in a just world, the people who created the training data deserve some level of compensation. I think, in the US, they are very afraid of falling behind C…

copyright is bullshit

I would be fine with abandoning copyright ... If it is done for everyone equally, and not just tech giants and VC money businesses get a free pass, while everyone else still has to follow the copyright laws. Lets go ahead and usher in an age of free information and experiencing all forms of human expression for everyone. But lets also come up with a way, to compensate our creative minds and our educators and artists. How about that UBI? We stand much to gain as humanity.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#387
Single greatest transfer of intellectual property in history.

I don't think royalties or settlements are really the point here. AI must be a net benefit to humanity, or we burn everything to the ground, it's that simple.

The next few decades of AI need to lift everyone up, it needs to eliminate the most degrading and dangerous jobs while providing abundance. There is simply no point to robots if they don't serve us and make everything cheaper and more accessible to us.

We are watching Wall Street. The Devon's and Luigi's of the world are not interested in your settlement figure or what this means to shareholders. Humanity needs to be aware that it either keeps parasites at bay or the parasites are going to build a robot and surveillance army. It is literally us or them.

I'm not anti-AI, I am not scared of AI going rogue, I simply recognise that these people cannot be trusted, they do not care about your rules, there is no "regulating" it, the only thing that can scare them is a million people holding pitchforks outside their building.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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If you have the time, read the judge's response to the motion: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.43... The big deal for publishers and authors is the payout per eligible title is $3k. For a traditional publishing contract involving one author, the amount will be split down the middle. The other thing which caught my eye is the judge slashed the class counsel's fee by half, from 12.5% ($187.5m)…

Realtors are capped in the percentage they can take for selling properties. Brokers and financial advisers are capped in their fees. My presumption is that the only reason this very standard and reasonable regulatory pattern doesn’t affect lawyers is because they tend to be the ones writing and enforcing the regulations in the first place.

> pattern doesn’t affect lawyers is because they tend to be the ones writing ... the regulations in the first place

In my state, the people hired to write new bills (if passed becoming statute) have to pass their JD (law degree). Legislators only get to request new bills, they can't hand a proposal (which may have been written by a lobbying agency like ALEC or Heritage) into the system.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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If you have the time, read the judge's response to the motion: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.43... The big deal for publishers and authors is the payout per eligible title is $3k. For a traditional publishing contract involving one author, the amount will be split down the middle. The other thing which caught my eye is the judge slashed the class counsel's fee by half, from 12.5% ($187.5m)…

>The class counsel's unreimbursed litigation expenses were $2.6m. In what sane state does it even get that high?

I've seen some YouTubes where lawyers were complaining about high bill rates and showing actual bills. One large firm billed the senior lawyers at $2500/hour and even the paralegals were billed at $600/hr.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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He wasn’t just some famous redditor. Aaron Swartz helped create Reddit and invented RSS. If I put my conspiracy theory hat one and I always get piled on for this theory in other online communities but I think it could be possible. The theory is I think Aaron found some very dark stuff while exploring the MIT private networks, things that he was not supposed to see and could be very damaging to a lot people if they we…

If he found fucked up stuff regarding crimes way worse than his on university networks don't you think he could have gotten out of the sentencing entirely by cooperating against them Epstein was relatively restrained even in his personal email, I doubt he was using MIT administrated systems to facilitate a pedo ring

Have you seen how the legal system is protecting everyone associated with those crimes, despite how high profile they are?
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