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Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by flohofwoe »

AyanamiKaine wrote: post #134
flohofwoe wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But only one will come true. Eh, if this would be true than we would have arrived at a single religion, a single language, a single economic system or a single political ideology. Reality is the opposite, ideas tend to diverge instead of converge. E.g. the 'agentic engineering believers' will just be another tribe in the jungle.

I know what you mean, but its not about if a certain ideology is right. Its about reality. Reality will not diverge it will stay as one. Like the future it cannot diverge there will only be one future. I didnt want to imply that only one purposed future can be true. I wanted to say that it does not matter in which future the different camps believe in. There will only be one future and no one knows how it will look l…

I would argue that reality is what those different tribes perceive as "the truth", and from that pov there can indeed be different realities existing side by side ;) I wish that everybody could agree on the same objective truth, but that seems to a pipe dream, especially in the "information age".

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by marginalia_nu »

olalonde wrote: post #81

It would be cool if they just admitted that this is ideologically motivated rather than hide behind pragmatic excuses. 1) "unclear copyright status" Even if the copyright concern was legitimate (highly doubt so), Codeberg would be fully protected under safe harbor laws. 2) "little safeguards to ensure that they do not include harmful code" Inclusion of harmful code is no more likely than human-extruded code (probably…

> Even if the copyright concern was legitimate (highly doubt so), Codeberg would be fully protected under safe harbor laws.

If their mission is Free Software in some Stallman-adjacent interpretation of the idea, then it is actually quite a legitimate concern. The problem isn't that the code is illegal to possess, but that it's not Free Software, since that is entirely based on a licensing copyrighted code, and since there is legal precedent saying LLM outputs can't be copyrighted in many jurisdictions, it's highly debatable if it can be given a Free Software license.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by applfanboysbgon »

rarisma wrote: post #49

Baffling. Why are they the arbiters of what is made? Also does this break s230?

It's absolutely hilarious that vibe coders see themselves as some sort of protected class who are being discriminated against and think they can use the law to force an unrelated third-party to host their files for free. AI psychosis is a trip.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by RicoElectrico »

farfatched wrote: post #126
RicoElectrico wrote: post #27

My hypothesis is that this particular kind of AI pushback originates from people who really are terminally online and can't separate their job (programming) from free time (also programming). Programmers are unusual in that regard, compared to most other professions.

This field is fortunate to have passionate people. I'm glad that they have a space that feels comfortable. (I'm on Codeberg, but this will likely force me off it.)

The passionate people are partly to blame for the job situation, sadly.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by jdw64 »

I understand that as a non-profit, they don't accept vibe code, and there are also server load issues. But once you start using Gen AI code, as you'd know if you've tried it, you can't stop the entire codebase from becoming Gen AI generated, because the machine's abstraction and my abstraction are different.

After receiving Gen AI code, if you try to modify it all and integrate it into your codebase, it can sometimes take longer than just writing the code yourself.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by cassianoleal »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #53
KingOfCoders wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is mostly? >50%? >75%? What does "written by generative AI" means? Autocomplete? IDE-with-AI-normal-classname-completion? Everything not typed by a human. I personally don't find this clear at all and see many unhappy discussions in the future for Codeberg.

I think it's reasonable to assume >50% by default, unless the source clarifies what they mean by "mostly".

>50% of words? Characters? LoC? Files?

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by surgical_fire »

olalonde wrote: post #149
surgical_fire wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are ideologically motivated towards open source software. That means that they are ideologically motivated about the open source license being enforceable. Just because you have ulterior motives, it doesn't mean others do. Codeberg is pretty clear on their stance. > Inclusion of harmful code is no more likely than human-extruded code (probably less actually). Right now this is unclear, based on personal experien…

I don't think they have ulterior motives because I do, I think that because of the loaded language they use (e.g. "taking a stand against AI", "LLM-extrusions") and the dubious reasons they came up with. It's been decided pretty much everywhere that LLM output is not copyrighted by the LLM vendor. The only realistic risk here is for vibecoded code to be considered public domain, if too little human input was involved…

> The only realistic risk here is for vibecoded code to be considered public domain, if too little human input was involved, but public domain is functionally equivalent to a very permissive open source license (e.g. MIT minus attribution).

I don't think that's settled. For the time being it's fair to be on the safe side.

Either way, if it irks you that they chose this stance, you can just not use Codeberg. They are not the only game in town.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by ducktective »

batuhandumani wrote: post #87

Codeberg was never really intended as a place for small scale or one person teams to host vibe coded projects. It is more of a platform for opensource projects, medium and large teams, and people who take this work seriously. Many users also moved there after Github began pushing AI features so aggressively. I created my account two years ago, but I have barely used it. I am gonna deleting it so that i do not take up…

>Still, one thing should not be forgotten, those who fail to adapt eventually fall behind.

Adapt to what? Current LLM endgame is "wished-spec => code". Where do you fit in this? You are fighting for the last 10%, 1%, 0.1% contribution in this march of the 9s game.

Re: Codeberg bans vibe coded projects

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

cassianoleal wrote: post #157
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's reasonable to assume >50% by default, unless the source clarifies what they mean by "mostly".

>50% of words? Characters? LoC? Files?

Yeah, this is the bit where it really falls down, regardless of how you define "mostly"!
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