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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #569
bambax wrote: post #475

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At least in this configuration ads are separate from answers. I fear there will come a time where ads will be intermingled in the response tokens. In fact SEO people on SEO forums have been talking about how to inject products into training for many months; but at some point the model operators will offer this directly.

> but at some point the model operators will offer this directly This is illegal in basically all of the developed world.

Copyright infringement used to be illegal in the developed world, then we started building exceptions for AI. There's no reason to expect this won't happen for advertising laws too.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

guelo wrote: post #592
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #568

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> Ah, so you are against ads! At least the way ads are today. With that I mean that the way ads today mostly focus on manipulating over informing is effectively hindering your ability to choose. Speaking as someone who worked in advertising for a looooonnnngggg time, there are three ways that ads seem to work (above a randomised holdout). 1. The ad is something that the person actually wants, and they then convert. 2…

Which category is it when the user asks which is the best brand for the thing they want to buy and the platform lies to them and recommends the brand that paid the most money?

The illegal one because ads must be disclosed according to the FCC, in the US and I'm sure similarly in other countries.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

quotrend wrote: post #557
bambax wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in this configuration ads are separate from answers. I fear there will come a time where ads will be intermingled in the response tokens. In fact SEO people on SEO forums have been talking about how to inject products into training for many months; but at some point the model operators will offer this directly.

This already has a name — people call it GEO/AEO. I do the legitimate end of it for my own site: structured data, clean factual pages, llms.txt, so that when an assistant answers a question in my domain it cites the source correctly. Right now the incentives are healthy, because the only way to "rank" in an answer is to be genuinely accurate and citable. Paid placement inside answers breaks that alignment. Why invest…

Interesting that this was flagged when it is about the exact phenomenon being discussed, as I was also about to mention AEO until I read this comment. It is really not very different from SEO in that if you want your site to be ranked, it should have clean information, and don't try to game the system as otherwise you'll be banned like Google has done for decades now.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

kubanczyk wrote: post #519
bambax wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least in this configuration ads are separate from answers. I fear there will come a time where ads will be intermingled in the response tokens. In fact SEO people on SEO forums have been talking about how to inject products into training for many months; but at some point the model operators will offer this directly.

> At least in this configuration ads are separate from answers. As a frog would say: at least the heat is separate from water, for now.

Funny that people still perpetuate the myth about boiling frogs; they absolutely jump out at a certain hot enough temperature regardless of how slowly it is heated.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

Otterly99 wrote: post #554
blfr wrote: post #464

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The YouTube golden age is right now. The content is the most varied, from super niche 2k views a video vloggers to massive terrestrial channels alternatives. To the point where I think creative poverty of established fields is caused by younger creatives being on YouTube and TikTok instead of writing rooms at old media. Windows has fallen off hard but Linux has never been better. The personal computing in general has…

The actual content yes, but the recommendation engine switching from "Here is a video that is kind of like this one, you might like it" to "Here is a video that we predict will keep you on this website for as long as possible" definitely soured the experience.

PocketTube. I organize all my subscriptions and only watch those now, I rarely actually go to the home page with recommendations.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by satvikpendem »

Arkhaine_kupo wrote: post #517
blfr wrote: post #464

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The YouTube golden age is right now. The content is the most varied, from super niche 2k views a video vloggers to massive terrestrial channels alternatives. To the point where I think creative poverty of established fields is caused by younger creatives being on YouTube and TikTok instead of writing rooms at old media. Windows has fallen off hard but Linux has never been better. The personal computing in general has…

> The content is the most varied If no one can find it, you basically have a modern digital version of the "if a tree falls and no one hears it does it make a sound". Discoverability in youtube is currently absurdly shit. The algo just decides you like something and shows you the exact same videos you have already watched 30 times. Its so so bad, specially with how good the front page and side recommendations used to…

Maybe it's your algorithm then because I found lots of great stuff that it surfaced to me that were not just repeats but adjacent topics. For example if I watch Veritasium I get videos about other math and physics topics and creators.
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