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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by GreenWatermelon »

maelito wrote: post #561
zaphirplane wrote: post #540

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I don’t know if your claims are true, misinformed, rumors. On the censor bit all companies operate within the law of the country they are in .

They have been confirmed by the CEO of Kagi and its docs. https://kagifeedback.org/d/5445-reconsider-yandex-integratio... > On the censor bit all companies operate within the law of the country they are in . Yes, that's why I don't want my money poured from Kagi to Yandex, a company owned by the state of a country that invaded its neighbour and doing war crimes.

Do you instead, want it poured to companies in the US, A country that invades other countries and bombs schools and hospitals? And is currently supporting another country ALSO engaging in war crimes abd headed by an internationally wanted criminal?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by pydry »

maelito wrote: post #599
RobotToaster wrote: post #587

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Should they also stop using American tech because of the vast list of American war crimes?

Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech. As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter.

Indeed, the comparison isnt fair. The US is complicit in a genocide recognised by the UN and many of the US's own allies.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by GreenWatermelon »

phyalow wrote: post #492
bayindirh wrote: post #437

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Kagi is not only an ad-free subscription. It’s a mental budget booster. Knowing there are no ads and results are higher quality removes a mental load I didn’t know I was carrying. It’s possibly the single most impactful thing in my digital life. Thanks for everything, and please keep doing what you’re doing.

These comments feel like llm authored astro turfing…

On the other hand, your comment sounds to me like Anti-Kagi astroturfing.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by mort96 »

p-e-w wrote: post #539
jwr wrote: post #499

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Yes, please do. Your support of Russia is the only reason why I stopped using Kagi and paying for Kagi. I really want to like you and use your product.

If you consider supporting a Russian company equivalent to “supporting Russia”, then I assume you are happy to be supporting the United States by using US services… like the one you are on right now.

Yandex is especially tightly coupled to the Kremlin from what I've gathered. It seems less like supporting some American indie game development studio and more like supporting Palantir.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by mort96 »

barbs wrote: post #590
ejohansson wrote: post #533

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Ouch. I was not aware. Cancelled. It's rough that it's so hard to be an ethical consumer these days. Mullvad gone, Kagi gone.

Damn, what did Mullvad do?

Founder and CEO funded a Swedish far right party. They stood for roughly 72% of what that party took in.

https://korben.info/en/mullvad-cofounder-funding-far-right.h...

Mullvad has tried to paint it as, "this does not represent Mullvad the company, this is a private political donation" and stuff like that. I don't buy it. Funding Mullvad funds the CEOs.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

placebo wrote: post #529
olalonde wrote: post #513

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Unpopular opinion: I think users should be free to choose.

If you are implying that this is the case because this is also how leaders are selected in a democracy, then of course the sarcasm is noted - but here's my real unpopular opinion: Democracy only has value when the majority of voters are not morons. Unfortunately, I can't come up with a better solution - maybe create a model for which there is a wide agreement on and let it rule?

I prefer "Democracy only has value when the majority of voters are informed". This covers your case, but it also redresses the balance to shift blame away from everyday people and onto society as a whole.

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Post by blackhaz »

epolanski wrote: post #605
maelito wrote: post #508

Is Kagi still using Russian government owned tech (Yandex) that censors informations about the illegal Ukraine war crimes ? If so, even if I do agree with your claims about the need to avoid ads so that the user is not the product, I believe there's a double standard in action here. I really liked the product before having to cancel my subscription for this reason. Now I'm stuck with boring Qwant and Ecosia... Well h…

1. Yandex is dutch controlled, the russia-related business got sold in 2024 to Russian investors. 2. Yandex was never owned by the Russian government, albeit government-related censorship happened (but so does on Twitter/Google/Meta etc as they all have to comply with local laws where they operate). 3. Kagi answers questions about Russian war crimes. You can try yourself [1] 4. There's no such thing as a legal war, t…

This is naive on so many levels. Yandex is Russian government. You can't take a shit without KGB in Russia.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Post by fwn »

guelo wrote: post #592
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #568

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> Ah, so you are against ads! At least the way ads are today. With that I mean that the way ads today mostly focus on manipulating over informing is effectively hindering your ability to choose. Speaking as someone who worked in advertising for a looooonnnngggg time, there are three ways that ads seem to work (above a randomised holdout). 1. The ad is something that the person actually wants, and they then convert. 2…

Which category is it when the user asks which is the best brand for the thing they want to buy and the platform lies to them and recommends the brand that paid the most money?

Concealed advertising is highly problematic and deserves discussion. It is not, however, what OpenAI introduced in the article above. Their current ad formats are, apparently, transparently labeled and clearly separated.

It is very likely that this will adjust in the future. Just look at how indistinguishable from organic content some prominent ad placements have become over time. But: There is merit in discussing the actual product, not some hypothetical version of it. If we do discuss hypotheticals, we should make that explicit.

This also helps the whole debate (and therefore, I believe, ad critics): arguments grounded in reality are usually far more effective than those that aren't. ... And there might come a point where OpenAI introduces some kind of native ad format. We would be well advised to preserve our credibility for that discussion.

edit: Paid content in the organic LLM output is a current problem already. It ist just not what this announcement is about.

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