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Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#261
Settlement would mean it doesn't become legal precedence, right?

This outcome seems to be the best possible for Anthropic. Over 100B$ have been invested in AI so far, venture capital can afford to pay a few billions per big company as a South Park style "Sorry".

Or am I missing something?

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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To be clear, the issue is not that the books were used to train Claude, but that they were pirated.

This is why you should always distill your models from a competitor. Let them take on the liability

With this it's becoming very clear that we're moving past information copyright of today and the only copyright that'll remain will be brand/trademark shaped. This might be a good thing right? Information remains free while people's effort remains protected (assuming fair governance).

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#263

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

Regurgitating existing ideas is not copyright infringement. Reproducing works verbatim is and AI companies already implement guardrails to prevent that.

This is exactly why something more advanced than copyright is needed to protect human creative endeavour against AI appropriation. Copyright is demonstrated here not to be up to the job but it doesn’t mean there isn’t regulation needed to give human creators rights and a reward for their contribution

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#264
post #211

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

It doesn't do anything? Au contraire! Now the creations of the LLMs stand on legal ground. This was an excellent deal for Anthropic

Settlements do not in any way establish legal precedent or any legal standing.

This is simply an agreement between two parties.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#265

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

> There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas.

So, by that logic, you need to be paying every time you regurgitate any of my ideas. Or anyone else's. Copyright now protects abstractions and vibes. Substantial similarity test be damned. Nobody can write stories about wizard schools, the idea is taken.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regurgitating existing ideas is not copyright infringement. Reproducing works verbatim is and AI companies already implement guardrails to prevent that.

This is exactly why something more advanced than copyright is needed to protect human creative endeavour against AI appropriation. Copyright is demonstrated here not to be up to the job but it doesn’t mean there isn’t regulation needed to give human creators rights and a reward for their contribution

What you are saying leads to "pulling the ladder behind you" effect on creativity. It's impossible to protect more than substantial similarity and still allow creativity to exist.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#268

$3000/book for effectively pirating a book is shamefully low.

What do you mean pirating? They don't even distribute the originals, LLMs are not for replication, we already have copying and internet for that.

Why would we use a multi-billion parameter model to copy text? If we wanted the originals it would be easier to find them free, pirate or pay, if we use LLMs it is because we want something ELSE.

And caring about content rights in a world with limitless content and scarce attention is a mistake, it was never the content that was scarce in the last 20 years.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

#269

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

It's not meant to do anything about LLMs. It addresses the procurement of training data. I'm glad the courts demonstrate some basic lucidity that sadly seems to have escaped tech discussion sites some time ago.
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