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Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by gspr »

simianwords wrote: post #203
penguin_booze wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, continuing to profit--forever--from someone's else work, at scale, without their prior consent, is fair use? It's funny that crimes can be settled in cash. IOW, everything has a price; and the price is always right. Settlement ought to be the euphemism for blood money. In addition to the settlement, what I'd consider fair is to have these companies pay royalties in perpetuity. Of course, that's not tractable.

Why do they need prior consent? What sort of rent seeking do you want?

Are you saying that if someone writes a book or records a song, anyone should be able to use it for anything forever without consent?

How does intellectual work get funded in this insane world if yours, pray tell?

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by whateverboat »

shakna wrote: post #205
penguin_booze wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, continuing to profit--forever--from someone's else work, at scale, without their prior consent, is fair use? It's funny that crimes can be settled in cash. IOW, everything has a price; and the price is always right. Settlement ought to be the euphemism for blood money. In addition to the settlement, what I'd consider fair is to have these companies pay royalties in perpetuity. Of course, that's not tractable.

> So, continuing to profit--forever--from someone's else work, at scale, without their prior consent, is fair use? No, that's what they got in trouble for - a lack of consent. If the author consents, it would have been fine. If they bought the books, then it is fine. Digitisation through destruction, like most book scanning systems. As long as the original work is destroyed during the process, and you actually paid f…

So, they can bu ya book and format shift it, but when I do it, it's piracy? Looking at all DMCA/DRM systems.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by archerx »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #232

I do recall that a "famous redditor" was driven to suicide for making works available and he wasn't even making money for it.

He wasn’t just some famous redditor. Aaron Swartz helped create Reddit and invented RSS.

If I put my conspiracy theory hat one and I always get piled on for this theory in other online communities but I think it could be possible. The theory is I think Aaron found some very dark stuff while exploring the MIT private networks, things that he was not supposed to see and could be very damaging to a lot people if they were exposed. The infamous Jeffery Epstein was donating a lot of money to MIT and its Media Labs. I think there is a much deeper story at play that the mainstream narrative is hiding with a “suicide”.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

usef- wrote: post #217
nikanj wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't do anything? Au contraire! Now the creations of the LLMs stand on legal ground. This was an excellent deal for Anthropic

Yeah, it's always interesting the two-sides of a situation like this. Add regulation/enforcement to the big companies and you often shut out the smaller ones following. Meta also has copyright lawsuits for the open models they released, so open models are not immune. ... unless the line we want to draw is "american orgs pay, others don't", as currently seems to be happening.

> Add regulation/enforcement to the big companies and you often shut out the smaller ones following.

That is the case, any regulation increases the cost to enter a market.

But in this case, its irrelevant because the moat of cost to enter is already unfathomable and secondly, they are not adding regulation but fining them for committing a crime.

So yeah, adding that every food compnay needs 3 health inspectors that they pay for would benefit coca cola over you mom and pop bakery. But telling someone they cannot start a Space agency with money laundered from ransom and drug sales payments would not affect much the competition markets

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Post by leni536 »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #181
globular-toast wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No "avid reader" could recall anywhere near that much text. That takes dedicated effort to commit to memory. Copyright was never meant to stop people copying books anyway, it was meant to stop machines (ie. printing presses) copying them. Edit: Apologies, I misread it as "100 pages". My point about copyright still stands, though.

I disagree that avid readers cannot complete entire passages from books they've read several times when fed a prefix.

And can these avid readers publish these recited passages without infringing copyright?

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by shakna »

whateverboat wrote: post #233
shakna wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, continuing to profit--forever--from someone's else work, at scale, without their prior consent, is fair use? No, that's what they got in trouble for - a lack of consent. If the author consents, it would have been fine. If they bought the books, then it is fine. Digitisation through destruction, like most book scanning systems. As long as the original work is destroyed during the process, and you actually paid f…

So, they can bu ya book and format shift it, but when I do it, it's piracy? Looking at all DMCA/DRM systems.

Format shifting has a DMCA carveout. It is 100% allowed. Since around 2000, the rule has permitted it for:

> Literary works, including computer programs and databases, protected by access control mechanisms that fail to permit access because of malfunction, damage, or obsoleteness.

DRM being covered under other laws, and being gross, still applies. And still applies to industry giants, too. Which is why most who do this, like Google, actually buy physical copies and scan it destructively, so they don't have to deal with it.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by kimjune01 »

archerx wrote: post #236
cultofmetatron wrote: post #232

I do recall that a "famous redditor" was driven to suicide for making works available and he wasn't even making money for it.

He wasn’t just some famous redditor. Aaron Swartz helped create Reddit and invented RSS. If I put my conspiracy theory hat one and I always get piled on for this theory in other online communities but I think it could be possible. The theory is I think Aaron found some very dark stuff while exploring the MIT private networks, things that he was not supposed to see and could be very damaging to a lot people if they we…

understatement is a kind of humor, when he said 'redditor'
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