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Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ryandrake wrote: post #16
cognitiveinline wrote: post #10

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No need of (2) and (3) - the user can choose to not install/use the app. (1) is the right fair boundary.

Those apps just shouldn't exist. I don't know how "join your users to a botnet" became some kind of legitimized monetization scheme. Ads are bad enough. What's next? "Participate in a DDOS in order to use our app?"

Sometimes it's botnet, sometimes it's just accessing netflix without hitting big IP range bans.

If there are proxy apps that only do the latter sort of work than I'm actually in favor of them existing and being widespread.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by Dylan16807 »

oasisbob wrote: post #48
cognitiveinline wrote: post #4

Sharing a slice of your internet in a privacy preserving way in exchange for something of value, seems fair, no?

No. I'm surprised Comcast or some other ISP doesn't step in with a claim of tortious interference. Reselling or granting access to the ISPs services like this is almost always against the ISPs terms of service. The consumer is in no place to consent to this exchange.

On the other hand if you want to resell 2% of your bandwidth the ISP shouldn't have any say in that.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by [deleted] »

walrus01 wrote: post #58
tyre wrote: post #37

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Yes. I bought a Samsung TV and there isn’t a way to set up Art Mode without the internet. So first you have to get a raspberry pi, install pi hole, then switch your router’s DNS. What a wild experience 2026 is. But I do feel like a wizard.

You don't need an actual physical raspberry pi to temporarily run pihole on your LAN, you can, for instance, install a barebones debian VM inside any common hypervisor on your laptop like virtualbox or qemu, then install pihole on that basic debian x86-64 system.

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Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by tkel »

slau wrote: post #59
entropie wrote: post #46

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They might hardcode DNS. It's not certain that this will work.

This is why I’m a bit conflicted about DoH and ODoH. Firefox and Chrome have defaulted to DoH for years if I’m not mistaken (although I’m in Europe so I believe my FF still uses regular DNS instead of DoH by default). This also means that DoH effectively sends all your queries to CloudFlare on FF. Chrome is slightly smarter and tries to map your DNS provider to a DoH implementation if known.

I have my router set with iptables rules to block/redirect all port 53 and you can also add known DoH to a blocklist to try and force LAN devices to use your router DNS.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by [deleted] »

mey wrote: post #54
smcleod wrote: post #43

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Unfortunately they make arguably the best OLEDs and webOS is pretty decent to use (especially compared to the terrible OS that Samsung and Sony run). I think the best thing people can do is update their firmware then disconnect it from the internet. Using an AppleTV or similar provides a better experience than any TVs built in apps anyway.

How important is "the best" OLED vs the second best or 100th best OLED? I am personally ok not buying the bleeding edge to not get malware onto my OS.

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Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by nvme0n1p1 »

jedberg wrote: post #53
smcleod wrote: post #43

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Unfortunately they make arguably the best OLEDs and webOS is pretty decent to use (especially compared to the terrible OS that Samsung and Sony run). I think the best thing people can do is update their firmware then disconnect it from the internet. Using an AppleTV or similar provides a better experience than any TVs built in apps anyway.

I haven’t looked recently but last I checked Samsung made the best panels. Has that changed recently?

Samsung scored highest on https://www.rtings.com/ for my criteria, and I'm happy with the purchase. I didn't connect it to the network, of course. (I had to stop my handyman from connecting it and he seemed to think I was crazy for insisting.)

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by mikepurvis »

s1ncere wrote: post #30

Stop hooking up your LG tv to any network

I'm mostly very happy with my LG C4 as a home theatre centerpiece, and I did have it online so that I could use the apps for YouTube and Jellyfin. However, the lack of support for modern 4k rips (HEVC+DTS) ended up being a dealbreaker and I finally ditched the built in software for a fire stick instead.

No transcoding, no weird codec issues, just the raw files direct streamed from the underpowered Unraid box, into the back of the AVR where the audio is handled correctly and the video is sent to the screen.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by cognitiveinline »

walrus01 wrote: post #15
cognitiveinline wrote: post #4

Sharing a slice of your internet in a privacy preserving way in exchange for something of value, seems fair, no?

Grey market residential proxy service providers are one of the most common methods of implementing bot spam, social media manipulation and plenty of straight-out fraud. There's all kinds of things that malicious actors want to do where they value coming from an ordinary (comcast, charter, centurylink, shaw cable, whatever) residential IP.

You make a good point. I've reassessed and agree this is shady, and not a good pattern. And should be disabled/abolished.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by ahartmetz »

5kg wrote: post #38
s1ncere wrote: post #30

Stop hooking up your LG tv to any network

Stop hooking up your LG: https://www.theverge.com/tech/967983/lg-monitors-mcafee-adwa...

Fine with Linux though :)

LG's behavior isn't fine, but their monitors don't install crapware on Linux.

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