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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by antisthenes »

nextaccountic wrote: post #82
Aurornis wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They actually did this. > Anthropic spent many millions of dollars to purchase millions of print books, often in used condition. Then, its service providers stripped the books from their bindings, cut their pages to size, and scanned the books into digital form — discarding the paper originals. Each print book resulted in a PDF copy containing images of the scanned pages with machine-readable text (including front an…

> Then, its service providers stripped the books from their bindings, cut their pages to size, and scanned the books into digital form — discarding the paper originals. This is worse than pirating books to an absurd degree, it's almost a parody - the company that slurps all human knowledge ends up not only metaphorically, but also physically destroying those books, like an information vampire. Authors don't even rece…

The AI craze not only destroyed books, but many small websites who couldn't bear the load of constant scraping, or many communities that took open forums and took them offline or put them behind closed doors.

There is less publicly available knowledge now on the Internet than there has been 3 years ago.

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Post by theplumber »

ceejayoz wrote: post #89
xienze wrote: post #88

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Please post the prompts that will reproduce the pirated works verbatim. Or even halfway.

A shitty cam rip of a movie is still punishable as infringement. That said, it's been done: https://arxiv.org/abs/2601.02671 > In some cases, jailbroken Claude 3.7 Sonnet outputs entire books near-verbatim (e.g., nv-recall=95.8%).

Subtitle translation is punishable as well…

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by lelanthran »

xienze wrote: post #88
ceejayoz wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anthropic pirated that content to help everyone do the same .

Please post the prompts that will reproduce the pirated works verbatim. Or even halfway.

> Please post the prompts that will reproduce the pirated works verbatim.

You don't need to reproduce anything verbatim: a 1/4 resolution copy of a movie is still infringement even though it's only a quarter of the size.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by Der_Einzige »

muzani wrote: post #146
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #115

Death to copyright, which has always been far more harmful to small authors and creators than it has even been to large companies.

Odd place to bring this up. This is one of those situations where copyright is doing what it's meant to do.

The only bad thing about OpenAI and Anthropic training on everyone's stuff without their consent is that they didn't give away the model weights afterwards.

The people who espouse copyright abolitionism believe "information wants to be (and should be) free"

So no, for these people including myself, Copyright isn't doing anything good at all. It should be abolished. None of the people in this suit should get a dime. The government should force open weight releases of all foundation models as basically the only regulation that applies to the space at this current time.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by ryan_lane »

nativeit wrote: post #150
ilamont wrote: post #21

If you have the time, read the judge's response to the motion: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.43... The big deal for publishers and authors is the payout per eligible title is $3k. For a traditional publishing contract involving one author, the amount will be split down the middle. The other thing which caught my eye is the judge slashed the class counsel's fee by half, from 12.5% ($187.5m)…

Realtors are capped in the percentage they can take for selling properties. Brokers and financial advisers are capped in their fees. My presumption is that the only reason this very standard and reasonable regulatory pattern doesn’t affect lawyers is because they tend to be the ones writing and enforcing the regulations in the first place.

There is no legal maximum for the percentage real estate agents can take, in the US. Rates are also not fixed, by law, and are required to be negotiable. There's a general standard for rates (typically 5-6%, split between agents/brokers), but there's nothing stopping them from setting it to 99%, other than the fact that people won't pay it.

Source: was a licensed real estate agent for a long time.

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Post by Fantosism »

ryan_lane wrote: post #157
nativeit wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realtors are capped in the percentage they can take for selling properties. Brokers and financial advisers are capped in their fees. My presumption is that the only reason this very standard and reasonable regulatory pattern doesn’t affect lawyers is because they tend to be the ones writing and enforcing the regulations in the first place.

There is no legal maximum for the percentage real estate agents can take, in the US. Rates are also not fixed, by law, and are required to be negotiable. There's a general standard for rates (typically 5-6%, split between agents/brokers), but there's nothing stopping them from setting it to 99%, other than the fact that people won't pay it. Source: was a licensed real estate agent for a long time.

I might be misremembering, as I worked on the loan side, but wasn't the 6% standard set by the state's realtor association until 2024?

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by Fantosism »

theplumber wrote: post #91
IncreasePosts wrote: post #78

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Kim built something designed to help everyone pirate stuff. Anthropic pirated specific content.

Fuck off! what about Aaron Swartz ? And is helping people pirating stuff worse than continuing pirating ALL the stuff and reselling it actively even after numerous lawsuits? Some of you really don’t deserve good things. You should be blocked from using AI on more than one device without paying an additional subscription plan.

I think this is the thing that bothers me most. Seeing that 2005 YC photo with Altman and Swartz and realizing where we're at now.

Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude

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Post by lotsofpulp »

Fantosism wrote: post #158
ryan_lane wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no legal maximum for the percentage real estate agents can take, in the US. Rates are also not fixed, by law, and are required to be negotiable. There's a general standard for rates (typically 5-6%, split between agents/brokers), but there's nothing stopping them from setting it to 99%, other than the fact that people won't pay it. Source: was a licensed real estate agent for a long time.

I might be misremembering, as I worked on the loan side, but wasn't the 6% standard set by the state's realtor association until 2024?

No. "Realtor" is a trademarked term for a member of the National Association of Realtors. Real estate agents are licensed by state governments, but prices for real estate agents are not legislated by state governments.

If this is the 2024 settlement that you are referring to, it did not say anything about the price a Realtor can charge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnett_v._National_Associatio...

>The cooperative compensation rule has been eliminated as a result of the settlement. Seller's agents are no longer required to offer compensation to buyer's agents when listing a home for sale on a Realtor-owned multiple listing service. In addition, Realtors acting as buyer's agents must enter into contracts with buyers before touring any homes, allowing buyers to negotiate how much they will pay their buyer's agent.

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