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Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Because ads will no longer look like ads. Model bias from the highest bidder, what fun. This is exactly why OAI and Anthropic enjoy spreading FUD about open weight models.

As far as I can tell, these ads still look like ads, clearly marked as sponsored?

> As far as I can tell…

This is precisely the problem with the entire notion of putting advertising into these models. You’ll never really know.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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Why are you horrified?

Because ads will no longer look like ads. Model bias from the highest bidder, what fun. This is exactly why OAI and Anthropic enjoy spreading FUD about open weight models.

Calling it model bias is as disingenuous as calling newspaper ads media bias.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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7 years ago we started the 'you are not the product' movement for digital information consumption with Kagi Search. Since then the paradigm shifted from search to agents. Good to see the need for 'you are not the product' still holds up, maybe even more so now: an agent is only worth trusting if it works for you and nobody else. The second an advertiser gets between you and the answer, that's gone. So we're staying on the user-funded side of this. Boring, but it's the whole point.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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7 years ago we started the 'you are not the product' movement for digital information consumption with Kagi Search. Since then the paradigm shifted from search to agents. Good to see the need for 'you are not the product' still holds up, maybe even more so now: an agent is only worth trusting if it works for you and nobody else. The second an advertiser gets between you and the answer, that's gone. So we're staying o…

Stay boring, Vlad.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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I upvoted this submission, not because I like this, but because I think people need to see this. If you are looking at upvotes as a measure of support OpenAI: Don’t.

The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

LLMs may actually drag our super-valuable tech industry back down to earth and commoditize everything we've ever built.

How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM?

How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite?

How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system?

These all feel incredibly shallow now. A few dedicated people could build these systems and begin dismantling the margin and monopoly of every major piece of software we know and use.

If ChatGPT has ads, how hard would it be for a different startup to offer an LLM alternative?

Distribution and branding might be the only things that matter going forward. We may have just turned the tech industry into the 1960's cigarette industry.

LLMs are a Google killer. I don't think it'll be long before people start using their power to take away market share from big tech.

Big tech laying off so many senior engineers might have created the dry kindling to set this off.

(Because people always comment - this is not sarcasm. I'm being serious.)

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

#407

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Because ads will no longer look like ads. Model bias from the highest bidder, what fun. This is exactly why OAI and Anthropic enjoy spreading FUD about open weight models.

Calling it model bias is as disingenuous as calling newspaper ads media bias.

So you’re saying it’s legit?

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

LLMs may actually drag our super-valuable tech industry back down to earth and commoditize everything we've ever built. How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite? How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system? These all feel incredibly shallow now. A few dedicated people could build these systems and…

> How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM?

Extremely hard, because it would need a modest capital investment which won’t happen.

Every subsequent example you give is harder.

Re: Advertise in ChatGPT

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The golden age of LLMs may be coming to an end. Soon we’ll see the same phenomenon as we have with Google Search results and with YouTube, with Facebook and Windows. People will rend their garments and lament the loss of the „old models” but the logic of the system that produced them will remain unchanged. Everyone will keep asking themselves how it happened and what can be done about it. Meanwhile the Claude that we…

LLMs may actually drag our super-valuable tech industry back down to earth and commoditize everything we've ever built. How hard would it be to build a new Google Search with a small team and an LLM? How hard would it be to engineer a new Google Drive and Docs suite? How hard would it be to create a new phone operating system? These all feel incredibly shallow now. A few dedicated people could build these systems and…

I've been thinking along these lines for a while.

It isn't just about building an alternate cheaply, it is about convincing people to switch. I wouldn't discourage anyone from trying, just that building the thing is just the beginning of a long journey.

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