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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#161

Mythos/Fable was the state of the art back in March, if not earlier.

So China is now only 4 months behind US frontier models now when the rule of thumb was 6 months just a little while ago.

To be fair the lag varies tremendously. When Deepseek first came out it was competitive with frontier lab models at the time.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doom for whom?

Well considering it was just a few months ago that OpenAI had the brilliant idea of connecting these systems to autonomously run an actual protein synthesis wetlab, very possibly all of us.

Holy shit, how’d I miss that? https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-lowers-protein-synthesis-cost...

Forget Iran, this place is what we’re going to wish we’d bombed.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#163

The irony is the Chinese are being very democratic with their models, while the USA tries to do central control. Glad to see centralized control fail on the grandest scale. Maybe we can learn a thing or two.

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So if they paid for pre-training they would not be able to open their weights?

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#164

The irony is the Chinese are being very democratic with their models, while the USA tries to do central control. Glad to see centralized control fail on the grandest scale. Maybe we can learn a thing or two.

What you're seeing is the distilled (no pun intended) result of realpolitik at play. China's labs aren't as open as they are out of altruism, but rather to capitalize and undercut the monopoly held by U.S. competitors.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best part is using harnesses like reasonix or whale make cache hit at a rate close to 98%, making requests converge to practically free. And that's with unsubsidized American providers like cloudflare or Digital Ocean.

In long form tasks, across multiple harnesses (Claude Code, OpenCode, Kimi Code, ZCode) my cache rates are typically 96-99%. I don’t think that’s particularly out of the ordinary. Do people have different experiences with other harnesses? Which ones?

How much time do you spend on your setup vs getting a lot of stuff shipped by paying for fabel 5? For me, not using the best model is a huge opportunity cost since my company can afford it.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#168

Why SoTA (uppercase “T”) instead of SotA (lowercase “T”) ? “State of [T]he Art” versus “State of [t]he Art”. If not SotA then at least SOTA, which is more accurate.

An cross of SoT (source of truth) and SotA (state of the art). SotA looks weird, admittedly.

“SoTA” as “source of truth agent” would be a pretty annoying/funny acronym to unless upon the world.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#169

The irony is the Chinese are being very democratic with their models, while the USA tries to do central control. Glad to see centralized control fail on the grandest scale. Maybe we can learn a thing or two.

> The irony is the Chinese are being

There's no irony. The problem is these generalizations and labelling that's hurting everyone. It's the wrong way to view China and maybe many other places.

Just like the definition of AI, the definition of democratic or not evolved long ago.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#170

The irony is the Chinese are being very democratic with their models, while the USA tries to do central control. Glad to see centralized control fail on the grandest scale. Maybe we can learn a thing or two.

What you're seeing is the distilled (no pun intended) result of realpolitik at play. China's labs aren't as open as they are out of altruism, but rather to capitalize and undercut the monopoly held by U.S. competitors.

They wanted capitalism, no? Here's the competition in the market.
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