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I'm upvoting this because it's interesting. I don't have to fully understand something to find it interesting.
In what way is it interesting compared to the myriad of other posts on this topic that has content you can understand?
A digestion of the Jacobian conjecture counterexample
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I doubt Anthropic will share the details (or at least the full true details). The mystery of the magic makes for much better marketing. I think a reasonable assumption is that there is an interaction between an LLM, a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_algebra_system tool, a human prompting with deep math expertise, and lots of compute that explains hitting upon the remarkable cancellation.
> a human prompting with deep math expertise The original tweet implied that the whole thing was done while the author was watching the World Cup final. I know it’s tempting to hope that a human did the “real” work here, but if some special insight was put into prompting, the author kept it to himself, and there is no reason why they would hide this since it would elevate their own status.
Have encountered a similar flavor in programming, wrote it off until I saw someone point out how garbage in garbage out they tend to be. If you hand any frontier model dogshit and ask it to do something simply, the result is often not great.
But! If you spend 20 minutes having it comb through and clean up with something like jscpd, then tell it to step through with a debugger, gather profiling traces, etc... very likely it will yield meaningful improvements or catch some corner cases. If it doesn't, anyone with experience is going to tell it to try something else, or that it isn't good enough, as opposed to accepting the first result.
You can recreate this by disabling web search and asking a model about the conjecture and then giving it his post. I've tried a few and their initial responses range from "this is a meme I'm not even going to verify it" to vaguely insulting chains of thought, concerns about the need to be careful because you're clearly nuts or stupid, then falling back on remedial explanations. After a few nudges they all eventually work through it, accept it, and apologize.
IMO its reasonable to imagine a situation where someone is having a beer or two watching The Big Game, asking an LLM to do something stupid for fun and landing somewhere like this on the magic jump to conclusions mat.
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It will make mistakes if you tell it to, so I assume it will make no mistakes if you tell it not to.
When this news came out I amused myself by asking Claude to prove that 0.999... != 1. First it did so for the hyperreals. To do it for the reals I had to tell it it was allowed to make mistakes, although it didn't end up interestingly wrong - just very fuzzy and vague.
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#54Okay. So what does this overturn, intuitively? Can we no longer assume that functions are differentiable at certain points, or something?
So Alpoge and Fable found an example of a function that was believed to be too strange to exist.
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#55Can we audit the CoT and work the AI did to generate such a remarkable cancellation?
I doubt Anthropic will share the details (or at least the full true details). The mystery of the magic makes for much better marketing. I think a reasonable assumption is that there is an interaction between an LLM, a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_algebra_system tool, a human prompting with deep math expertise, and lots of compute that explains hitting upon the remarkable cancellation.
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#57reading through this I eventually realized a situation similar to my experience of it is what my dog sees if I attempt to explain Python programming to him.
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#58reading through this I eventually realized a situation similar to my experience of it is what my dog sees if I attempt to explain Python programming to him.
Some people downvoting you, but I think it is a valuable illustration of IQ gap. And chances are that humanity at large will be soon trying to follow ai inventions and discoveries not unlike your dog follows your Python code.
A lot of maths is about both being able to wrap your head around hard problems and gaining the prerequisite knowledge to make it easier to do so.
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#59> While this is an extremely quick verification, the construction presented in this fashion appears like a massive miracle. The polynomial {F} has degree seven, so a priori the Jacobian {\mathrm{det} DF} ought to be a polynomial in three variables of degree as large as {3 \times 6 = 18}, so the fact that all non-constant coefficients of this polynomial vanish looks like a massive cancellation involving {\binom{18+3}{…
> The seed is almost certainly Vitushkin's old rational "counterexample."
From https://claude.ai/share/22abed98-d9af-43c5-9881-b19e009a07b0
This is not quite lore laundering, but it seems to be close.
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If you are offended by his math gifs and feel that the widely regarded best mathematician of our time should use embedded LaTex or something better, why not offer to upgrade his blog?