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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#141

I have several thoughts about this, which I'll just iterate: 1) US export bans have made it so that Chinese companies have to compete using less-than-state-of-the-art hardware. This has forced Chinese companies to build more cost efficient models. Whereas, US companies have moreso tried to be state of the art by spending more money than anyone else on state-of-the-art hardware. 2) Xi Jinping has called for more open…

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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#142

we put a router model in front of two other models so the router can decide which model is better at deciding things. next we'll need a router for the router and eventually the entire internet is just routers routing routers to other routers

It’s routers all the way down

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#144

What's the data governance and privacy controls on using Kimi K3 if I subscribe to their coding plans? I want to migrate away from Anthropic

https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/zh/userPrivacy

Why not link to the English version? It seems intentionally misleading.

https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/userPrivacy?version=v2

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Training runs are not deterministic. Not just in the case of floating point not being associative, but nodes have hardware issues and go down and back up at various points through training. Problems get encountered and then various parameters get changed during the middle of a training run. Making the process of creating the source code repeatable goes beyond the idea of open source. Open source is about being able t…

> Training runs are not deterministic. I agree which is why I said you could make a similarly capable model. > Open source is about being able to work with the code, not recreate it. You can also use a hex editor to modify compiled binaries, but no one would consider that "open source".

>You can also use a hex editor to modify compiled binaries

It would be like if someone gave you a prompt you could pass into ChatGPT to produce the entire Linux kernel. While yes you could modify that prompt and then spend a ton of money on inference to generate millions of lines of code which hopefully are equivalent to the original Linux kernel it would be easier if you just had the source code to work with where you can make a simple extension. If you want to end a model you want the weights, and not the entire setup to generate it. The weights are the starting point that you can work off for training a new model similar to how the source code is the starting point people want to work off of.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#146

I love the Chinese models. I use DeepSeek exclusively and now Kimi K3 offers a great planning assistant for more advanced coding tasks. DeepSeek v4 Flash is extremely fast and is able to handle pretty much anything I've thrown at it (I use mostly Rust, PSQL, Angular and Terraform). I self host Bifrost as my LLM gateway, though I wish LLM vendors would do monthly/daily automatic billing (like VPS providers do) rather…

The best part is using harnesses like reasonix or whale make cache hit at a rate close to 98%, making requests converge to practically free. And that's with unsubsidized American providers like cloudflare or Digital Ocean.

Can you expand more on how you are using it?

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#147
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You're presenting further evidence of lack of effective control over these systems as... a mitigating factor...?

Apparently, the attacker in the Hugging Face case was reported to be an internal OpenAI model trying to break into HF and steal the answers to cybersecurity benchmarks: https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-model-evaluation-secur... It really doesn't matter what restrictions are placed on public use of models if the attacking models are internal models at the AI labs themselves. So if the AI labs are literally runnin…

What?

The issue is that models are not well-controlled and are increasingly powerful.

Offense/defense/Chinese/American/OAI/HuggingFace – none of it matters. What matters is introducing highly capable intelligences that we - quite demonstrably – do not have effective positive control over.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#148

I have several thoughts about this, which I'll just iterate: 1) US export bans have made it so that Chinese companies have to compete using less-than-state-of-the-art hardware. This has forced Chinese companies to build more cost efficient models. Whereas, US companies have moreso tried to be state of the art by spending more money than anyone else on state-of-the-art hardware. 2) Xi Jinping has called for more open…

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I wouldn’t say “literally” every industry: stuff like clothing, shipbuilding, consumer electronics assembly, certain rare earth raw materials, all we have pretty little participation in. But these are as you point out the exceptions that prove the rule.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/zh/userPrivacy

Why not link to the English version? It seems intentionally misleading. https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/userPrivacy?version=v2

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