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Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by bluebarbet »

bix6 wrote: post #46
xandrius wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should give some names if you personally know them.

I work with Hybrid Reefs out of Scripps in San Diego. Daniel is an amazing dude, Moore fellow, and prolific inventor. If you can help, there’s contact info on the website. https://www.hybridreefs.com/ Coral Vita is the trailblazer in the for profit category, first coral Series A (2025). I don’t know them yet though. https://www.coralvita.co https://coral.org is a 501c3. One of my friends is on the board. Other fun st…

The irony surely being that the "economic value" here supposedly worth $10T is, ultimately, the very cause of their undoing (human economic activity is somewhat directly correlated with environmental destruction). Personally I'd prefer to live in a world where we saved coral reefs for their own sake and not for their economic value.

Still, it's a detail. Well done for the amazing work you're doing. We all depend on people like you and the organizations you mention.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by lukan »

bix6 wrote: post #34
Aboutplants wrote: post #33

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I’ve always been curious as to the level of success these programs achieve compared to just letting nature respond on its own. There are many cases where “dead” areas come back to life with abundance and give me pause as to whether we should for the most part just get out of natures way.

Here’s one successful example that only worked because of human intervention: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240308123248.h... They can only survive short duration events. At some point the temp and time is too much and they die. The only way they come back is reintroduction. We’ve lost over 50% of the reefs and are expected to lose 90% by 2050. There are many amazing solutions. Some use corals more re…

"So now we need to help nature with our technology."

I guess the best help, would be stop getting into natures way so brutally, but since transforming the whole industry takes time and making people aware and care is even harder, some technical solutions to offset some damage is of course welcome.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by functionmouse »

tomhow wrote: post #50
functionmouse wrote: post #6

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

I think you're right. Thanks.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by bluebarbet »

tomhow wrote: post #50
functionmouse wrote: post #6

[flagged]

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

The comment is flippant but IMO it's also a pithy summary of an important argument in this debate. To which some of the responses are thoughtful and substantive.

Tangential: I quite often slap down comments for much the same reasons you're using. No objections there, in fact I wish more people would do it.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by soperj »

Jtsummers wrote: post #15
soperj wrote: post #13

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they were doing that in New York as well if I'm not mistaken

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billion_Oyster_Project - Different effort, this one is about putting out living oysters, not just shells as GP was talking about. And to be clear, in GP's link, living oysters do show up, but they weren't put there deliberately (the shells and every other development provided the larvae with places to grow and establish themselves). The NY project started with oyster larvae placed on dis…

did this start as just shells? Because I remember reading something a long time ago about this and they were just putting shells in the bay in metal cages.

Amazing that they're actually progressing on a billion oysters. That's incredible. I wonder when it becomes self sustaining, and just reaches a billion on it's own.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by aboardRat4 »

bix6 wrote: post #27
aboardRat4 wrote: post #19

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Forest fires are natural. Coral bleaching seems too actually be a sign of prosperity, not suffering.

Glyphosate has made forest fires worse. Bleaching happens when the symbiosis breaks down due to elevated temps. That is due to suffering and causes suffering.

>Glyphosate has made forest fires worse.

How? How does this work?

>Bleaching happens when the symbiosis breaks down due to elevated temps.

The first part is correct, the second is unknown. In 2016, 84% of corals bleached, the highest number. Did global warming peak in 2016?

I admit, saying "prosperity" was provocative. It's probably not a sign of prosperity. But what exactly it is a sign of, we have little idea.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by rendonroman »

Nice to read a paper that's looking for paths of persistence instead of only documenting decline. Climate stories often end with "thing are getting worse", this one also asks where ecosystems might still persist if local conditions are managed well.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by tomhow »

functionmouse wrote: post #53
tomhow wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

I think you're right. Thanks.

Thanks :)

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

bluebarbet wrote: post #51
bix6 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work with Hybrid Reefs out of Scripps in San Diego. Daniel is an amazing dude, Moore fellow, and prolific inventor. If you can help, there’s contact info on the website. https://www.hybridreefs.com/ Coral Vita is the trailblazer in the for profit category, first coral Series A (2025). I don’t know them yet though. https://www.coralvita.co https://coral.org is a 501c3. One of my friends is on the board. Other fun st…

The irony surely being that the "economic value" here supposedly worth $10T is, ultimately, the very cause of their undoing (human economic activity is somewhat directly correlated with environmental destruction). Personally I'd prefer to live in a world where we saved coral reefs for their own sake and not for their economic value. Still, it's a detail. Well done for the amazing work you're doing. We all depend on p…

You'd prefer to live in a world where labor is free and we don't need to work for anything? I like the current world better.
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