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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by rogerrogerr »

stingraycharles wrote: post #7

As always, benchmarks rarely paint the whole picture. It also seems like this article is somewhat biased, eg when Fable and Kimi are close but Fable wins it’s “dead heat”, but when Kimi wins it’s “Kimi wins”. GPT 5.6 seems to be missing as well. I am really eager to give Kimi K3 a try, but I’ll reserve my judgement until I’ve worked with it for at least a few days.

The apparent bias may be explainable as it’s not remarkable for OpenAI or Anthropic to be slightly ahead. It _is_ remarkable for an open weights model to be better than the closed models from the trillion dollar (allegedly) companies.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by estearum »

skinfaxi wrote: post #20
estearum wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

hmm almost like the exact race-to-the-bottom + arms-race dynamic all the doomers have been warning about

Doom for whom?

Well considering it was just a few months ago that OpenAI had the brilliant idea of connecting these systems to autonomously run an actual protein synthesis wetlab, very possibly all of us.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by mikae1 »

AlexErrant wrote: post #27
mikae1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For regular chat users it's $19 while Claude is $20...

$20 users don't get access to Fable. It's $100+ tier only.

True. However, I believe most non-programmers don't need access to the fanciest model, but just want to use a good LLM without constant nagging about usage limits. Then 19 vs. 20 is true?

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by ralusek »

nharada wrote: post #28

Is there something specifically with Kimi that's better here? As far as I know Kimi pricing is about the same as Sonnet 5 -- what happens if you use that model and Fable instead? Or Grok 4.5 which is even cheaper?

One benefit of an open source one is that you can, as a large corporation, run it "locally" within your own data center. Even fine tune it.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by apatheticonion »

I love the Chinese models.

I use DeepSeek exclusively and now Kimi K3 offers a great planning assistant for more advanced coding tasks.

DeepSeek v4 Flash is extremely fast and is able to handle pretty much anything I've thrown at it (I use mostly Rust, PSQL, Angular and Terraform).

I self host Bifrost as my LLM gateway, though I wish LLM vendors would do monthly/daily automatic billing (like VPS providers do) rather than prepaid + auto-top up.

It's annoying maintaining a non-refundable minimum balance across vendors, I would rather be billed for my exact usage.

OpenRouter helps, but I don't really like it as a service and not a fan of the mark up.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by potwinkle »

mikae1 wrote: post #33
AlexErrant wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$20 users don't get access to Fable. It's $100+ tier only.

True. However, I believe most non-programmers don't need access to the fanciest model, but just want to use a good LLM without constant nagging about usage limits. Then 19 vs. 20 is true?

Still no. If you're only getting Opus-class you can still end up paying less by just using an equivalent Chinese model on OpenRouter.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by californical »

estearum wrote: post #29
andrewmutz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One man's offensive penetration tool is another mans defensive tool. In the recent HuggingFace/OpenAI incident the safety controls stood in the way of the defenders, not the attackers: https://www.thestack.technology/hugging-face-hacked-turned-t...

You're presenting further evidence of lack of effective control over these systems as... a mitigating factor...?

Why do you assume they're disagreeing with you?
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