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Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by locknitpicker »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #39
righthand wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

React is more of a plague than a wonderful downstream effect or mixed bag. It’s essentially cemented Js as the way to build a website even if you don’t need the complexity. It is the leader in brain dead Js evangelism.

Credit where credit is due, though: ReactJS became #1 on its merits. ...yes, Redux (not React) deserves to be #1, but Redux isn't a complete, all-under-one-roof framework the way React is; but regardless of that: The Redux/React approach is just fundamentally a better design than what we had before: stateful-controls/widgets and two-way data-binding. If you'd like to relive how UI devs suffered throughout the 1990s,…

> ...yes, Redux (not React) deserves to be #1,

This is a rather perplexing statement to make.

If anything, Redux only plays a role in adding syntactic sugar over React's support for reactive programming.

More importantly, the general guidelines are that you should only bother with Redux if your SPA is already considerably complex.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by nxc18 »

locknitpicker wrote: post #60
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source. ReactJS has been a very mixed-bag...

> ReactJS has been a very mixed-bag... This is a very confused statement to be made, specially after the last decade where React established itself as the de facto way of writing any and every SPA. Is it yet another example of "there are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses."

I think the universe of SPAs that should exist is far smaller than the universe of SPAs that does exist, and the hype around react is largely to blame.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by nxc18 »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #39
righthand wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

React is more of a plague than a wonderful downstream effect or mixed bag. It’s essentially cemented Js as the way to build a website even if you don’t need the complexity. It is the leader in brain dead Js evangelism.

Credit where credit is due, though: ReactJS became #1 on its merits. ...yes, Redux (not React) deserves to be #1, but Redux isn't a complete, all-under-one-roof framework the way React is; but regardless of that: The Redux/React approach is just fundamentally a better design than what we had before: stateful-controls/widgets and two-way data-binding. If you'd like to relive how UI devs suffered throughout the 1990s,…

WinUI3 is horrible, but that is an implementation detail. WPF isn’t so bad (of course for business reasons no one should use either).

I still see WPF and AppKit as both being superior UI technologies to web+react, if you ignore the challenges of distribution.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by noodlescb »

andsoitis wrote: post #57
noodlescb wrote: post #31

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Even that is kind tbh. The company is so poorly run and the leader so controversial that it makes it irresponsible to build anything serious that relies on their products. Other than the rocket part of the business, everything else under the SpaceX umbrella is a nonstarter.

> The company is so poorly run In what specific ways is the company very poorly run, say compared to a comparable outfit?

It's so bizarrely run that it's hard to decide what counts as a "comparable outfit"? It's a Space company crammed together with several deeply unprofitable and embarrassing investment companies the founder bought as a part of a transparent grift to cover his mistakes and his only argument is a vague promise of "data centers in space", after over a decade of promising similarly ambitious things that have never happened.

Compared to the other AI companies? It's got even less revenue and product/branding decisions that have it fundamentally incompatible with any of the customers that would result in it becoming a leader.

Compared to other companies of similar revenue? That would be like... uh... Carnival Cruises? lol the fact that it has a valuation where it does is only due to corruption and politics. Oh, sorry Carnival Cruises had actual revenue last year, SpaceX was -$1.9B.

Maybe I'm just in my media bubble, care to share the experts out there explaining how it's a great company whose valuation makes any sort of sense?

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by SR2Z »

lenerdenator wrote: post #49
khuey wrote: post #46

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We've seen b before. React was controversially released with a similar clause and ultimately Facebook dropped it and used a standard open source license. Their lawyers really love this idea for some reason.

Do their lawyers love the idea? Hard to say. My guess is, Zuck really likes the idea, so he keeps directing them and their chief counsel to try stuff like this. It's almost as if having a CEO of a company placed beyond the control of the corporate board is a bad thing.

This is a pretty common clause when a company open sources something that was previously locked away. The AOM AV1 codec has a similar rule for its patent pool to discourage trolling.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by bmandale »

khuey wrote: post #46
commoner wrote: post #43

Whenever Meta claims their models are open source, you have to double-check. SAM License ( https://github.com/facebookresearch/sam3/blob/main/LICENSE ): > iv. Your use of the SAM Materials will not involve or encourage others to reverse engineer, decompile or discover the underlying components of the SAM Materials. > v. You are not the target of Trade Controls and your use of SAM Materials must comply with Trade Cont…

We've seen b before. React was controversially released with a similar clause and ultimately Facebook dropped it and used a standard open source license. Their lawyers really love this idea for some reason.

Was it released with it? Iirc they tried moving to such a license from bsd, which contains no patent grants whatsoever, and hence they thought it was a strict upgrade. The community did not agree so they moved back.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

locknitpicker wrote: post #60
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I can't deny the wonderful downstream effect of their open source. ReactJS has been a very mixed-bag...

> ReactJS has been a very mixed-bag... This is a very confused statement to be made, specially after the last decade where React established itself as the de facto way of writing any and every SPA. Is it yet another example of "there are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses."

> the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses

The funny thing is that prior to 2015 "the ones nobody uses" were the academically-designed ivory tower FP languages; perpetually relegated to being a minority curiosity because FP is immensely difficult to wrap one's head around at first, especially if all you've-ever-known was imperative C or VB and (compromised) OOP in Java and C#.

I remember when Google's overqualified design-team for Angular decided that Angular2+ is too good for Promise-based fetch() - instead everyone should be forced to learn RxJS's way-of-doing-things - cue the agony, wailing and the gnashing of teeth.

...I think being forced to live through that experience did 2 things:

1) It forced an entire generation of front-end web-devs (and VB6 refugees) to get familiar with FP-like concepts.

2) It also made those same front-end web-devs swear-off ever using a Google-maintained SPA framework in future.

...which set the stage for the mass-adoption of ReactJS:

1) It made effective use of FP concepts, which many devs were now accustomed-to after having survived Angular2.

2) It wasn't made by Google.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by munk-a »

pram wrote: post #33
noodlescb wrote: post #27

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I love how consistently none of us even vaguely consider Grok an actual player

To Grok's credit I think it's fairly good as a creative writing tool because it can be very "spontaneous" and it naturally seems to use an informal style. It also lacks a lot of the words and phrasing Claude and OpenAI get hyper-fixated on. IDK if this is emergent from being trained on an endless trough of Twitter shitposts but compared to how stiff the rest are, I consider it a feature. I wouldn't use it for anythin…

Ah creative writing - the domain where AI is failing to actually generate any economic value while absolutely devastating the ways in which people have traditionally found artistic expression.

Re: Meta's AI models are powering the first wave of Genesis Mission projects

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

locknitpicker wrote: post #61
DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Credit where credit is due, though: ReactJS became #1 on its merits. ...yes, Redux (not React) deserves to be #1, but Redux isn't a complete, all-under-one-roof framework the way React is; but regardless of that: The Redux/React approach is just fundamentally a better design than what we had before: stateful-controls/widgets and two-way data-binding. If you'd like to relive how UI devs suffered throughout the 1990s,…

> ...yes, Redux (not React) deserves to be #1, This is a rather perplexing statement to make. If anything, Redux only plays a role in adding syntactic sugar over React's support for reactive programming. More importantly, the general guidelines are that you should only bother with Redux if your SPA is already considerably complex.

> Redux only plays a role in adding syntactic sugar over React's support for reactive programming

Redux doesn't have anything to do with any kind of syntactic-sugar for Reac.

> the general guidelines are that you should only bother with Redux if your SPA is already considerably complex

If one already has an (non-React) SPA which is not already built following Redux then you're stuck with what you've got; it isn't really possible to take an existing SPA of any complexity and deciding to "make it use Redux" because it completely up-ends practically every aspect of SPA application-design, at least as far as how "traditional" (non-React) SPAs do things.

If you'll permit me to oversimplify: I tell people that React is a basically an opinionated Redux kernel wrapped around a JSX-based DOM+component/widget system (, which then means you now need a JS build system too); or conversely: Redux is like React, except without JSX components.

...or am I misunderstanding you?

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