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Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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haha yes, 100% thought this was about someone dumping used shoes in a pristine area before your comment.

I listen to too many crime podcasts. My mind was going, one slipper, the second slipper, then the body.

Or all of those feet in BC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salish_Sea_human_foot_discover...

try botany:

Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3CBOpT2-NRvoc2ecFMDCsA

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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For the coral lovers. There are multiple companies working on reef preservation. They are woefully under resourced. If you can help, please do.

I’ve always been curious as to the level of success these programs achieve compared to just letting nature respond on its own. There are many cases where “dead” areas come back to life with abundance and give me pause as to whether we should for the most part just get out of natures way.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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For the coral lovers. There are multiple companies working on reef preservation. They are woefully under resourced. If you can help, please do.

I’ve always been curious as to the level of success these programs achieve compared to just letting nature respond on its own. There are many cases where “dead” areas come back to life with abundance and give me pause as to whether we should for the most part just get out of natures way.

Here’s one successful example that only worked because of human intervention: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/03/240308123248.h...

They can only survive short duration events. At some point the temp and time is too much and they die. The only way they come back is reintroduction.

We’ve lost over 50% of the reefs and are expected to lose 90% by 2050.

There are many amazing solutions. Some use corals more resistant to heat stress. Australia has seen some promising results with seed boxes. I know of a few other amazing solutions currently in the lab.

We have already gotten in natures way. So now we need to help nature with our technology.

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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Forest fires are natural. Coral bleaching seems too actually be a sign of prosperity, not suffering.

Glyphosate has made forest fires worse. Bleaching happens when the symbiosis breaks down due to elevated temps. That is due to suffering and causes suffering.

I'm not a big fan of synthetic chemicals in the food supply but I can't help wondering how Glyphosate has made forest fires worse?

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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For the coral lovers. There are multiple companies working on reef preservation. They are woefully under resourced. If you can help, please do.

I’ve always been curious as to the level of success these programs achieve compared to just letting nature respond on its own. There are many cases where “dead” areas come back to life with abundance and give me pause as to whether we should for the most part just get out of natures way.

I recall reading that the corals can reproduce both sexually and by cloning, with most in nature using cloning. The researchers brought them back to a lab and bred a bunch of them and found a lot of offspring could thrive in the warmer more acidic water, so they wanted to reintroduce them to a reef (or maybe they had). Been a while but it was interesting. Not sure what it takes to shift away from cloning in nature, but waiting for most the reef to die off seems backwards ;-)

Re: Long presumed dead, a thriving coral reef is discovered in West Africa

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I’ve always been curious as to the level of success these programs achieve compared to just letting nature respond on its own. There are many cases where “dead” areas come back to life with abundance and give me pause as to whether we should for the most part just get out of natures way.

I recall reading that the corals can reproduce both sexually and by cloning, with most in nature using cloning. The researchers brought them back to a lab and bred a bunch of them and found a lot of offspring could thrive in the warmer more acidic water, so they wanted to reintroduce them to a reef (or maybe they had). Been a while but it was interesting. Not sure what it takes to shift away from cloning in nature, b…

One major issue though is diversity. Many coral gardeners use fragments to clone one type over and over.
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