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Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by draebek »

Eridrus wrote: post #213
xnx wrote: post #145

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> Google somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of success This is still very early days. Who is "on top" has flipped back and forth many times already. The next frontier model release (from whomever) will change things again.

I don't think it's that early tbh, agentic coding has ~90% adoption in the US. Claude Code has largely won individual developer mindshare and has been on top ever since it came out. The benchmarks change, but almost nobody opts to use anything other than Claude IME when I ask them. Enterprise is more competitive since they care about costs and other things, but developers leaning towards Claude puts a thumb on the sc…

> I don't think it's that early tbh, agentic coding has ~90% adoption in the US.

Where does that 90% figure come from?

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by ignoramous »

Tenoke wrote: post #107
postalcoder wrote: post #53

I wonder how big the Pro model is that Google is using behind the scenes to train these smaller ones. Going on baseless speculation, the lack of accompanying pro models with these flash releases either means: 1) the model is too big to be economical, 2) google doesn't have the compute to serve the big model, 3) their big model has too many alignment issues to serve to the public. edit: looks like benchmarks are up on…

It's also very possible that they know their big model underperforms chatgpt 5.6 and fable by too much, so they are focusing on what they can get wins in like speed instead.

> focusing on what they can get wins in like speed instead

Speed as a differentiator has always been Google's thing. They (used to?) show the microseconds it took to query & rank web-scale search results. Chrome, notoriously, focused on speed at the expense of resource use. The very many efforts to efficiently speed up Android & its runtime since its inception, and so on...

> their big model underperforms chatgpt 5.6

Possible but TFA claims:

  We have started our most ambitious pre-training run yet, for Gemini 4 ...

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by epolanski »

stonewhite wrote: post #90

Google somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of success with their AI products. They literally forced me and my company out of Antigravity by phasing out AI Ultra subscription without any proper product follow-up. Antigravity IDE cannot even have poweruser subscriptions now from Google Workspace an Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform cannot be attached to Antigravity IDE. Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform has an…

> Google somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of success with their AI products.

HN lives in a bubble.

I have German/Italian/Polish clients virtually all use Gemini and NotebookLM. Talking insurance, banking, consulting, legal.

The real world doesn't look at pointless benchmarks on writing react tailwind crap, they are already google suite users, get the tools, test them and adopt them, end of story.

It's going to be like with angular, never mentioned on the net, widely used in the real world.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by viccis »

anthonypasq wrote: post #228
viccis wrote: post #209

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>So the price is rising and you have no choice but to keep paying more and more. You can also just write code like you did a year or two ago.

[flagged]

Mostly because the person I was replying to has commented about using it to write code.

If you're using it for other purposes, then I give you permission to ignore my comment; there's no reason to descend into name calling.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by wasfgwp »

ActivePattern wrote: post #278
hagen8 wrote: post #86

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Just switch the model, its not that much effort tbh. And u can also get a cheaper model than 2.5 lite for the same intelligence

You would be surprised how much of a difference the model makes for certain niche tasks. For my use case, `gemini-3.1-flash-lite` is ~20% higher accuracy than the next best model of comparable cost (considering both proprietary and open-weight alternatives)

Well it is a bit surprising that 3.1 flash-lite could be better than deepseek-v4-pro (cheaper output and way cheaper cache so might cost less for quite a few use cases).

They are not anywhere close according to pretty much every benchmark (even v4-flash is considerably ahead and its way cheaper than flash-lite). Maybe tuning prompts/tools/etc. might be useful?

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by rescbr »

ngrilly wrote: post #150
vel0city wrote: post #135

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As someone who's been using Workspace as a personal email account for over a decade this has been such a struggle forever. Just lots of odd limitations to feature sets all over the place. When they swapped Google Assistant for Gemini as the default voice provider in Android Auto it was so annoying. My wife's non-work space account can get Gemini to do the normal things like play music and what not, but my Workspace o…

I'm in the same situation. But I was shocked discovering it goes both ways: many new Gemini functionalities are only accessible using a consumer account instead of a Workspace account. Also, Gemini is now the only major AI assistant with no support for MCP connectors. Instead of adding this to the core product, like ChatGPT and Claude did, somebody at Google decided that it was smarter to add this fundamental feature…

I currently have a free trial AI Pro subscription that will run out next month.

If it weren't for the $10 GCP credit, I'd straight away cancel it. I don't see enough value in Gemini to justify the $20 subscription.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by whimsicalism »

deaux wrote: post #323
hagen8 wrote: post #86

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Just switch the model, its not that much effort tbh. And u can also get a cheaper model than 2.5 lite for the same intelligence

"Intelligence" being what, math? Coding? Unfortunately there's a billion use cases for LLMs whose performance is not at all captured by the popular benchmarks they're all trying to maxx.

if you are relying on a model for a business process, it should be simple enough to benchmark on that process

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by froh »

simonw wrote: post #169
rednb wrote: post #79

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I am growing tired of these pelicans posts every time a new model is published. Feels to me like low effort personal brand promotion. Just sharing my 2 cents.

You and a few other people, but enough people still appreciate the bit that I'm going to keep doing it. They're easy enough to skip - click the little "-" icon and you'll collapse the entire sub-thread.

I love and appreciate you doing and sharing them, with stats and details.

thank you.

Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber

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Post by LUmBULtERA »

repeekad wrote: post #180
stonewhite wrote: post #90

Google somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of success with their AI products. They literally forced me and my company out of Antigravity by phasing out AI Ultra subscription without any proper product follow-up. Antigravity IDE cannot even have poweruser subscriptions now from Google Workspace an Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform cannot be attached to Antigravity IDE. Gemini Enterprise Agent Platform has an…

Aren’t the subscriptions extremely subsidized and burning cash for Anthropic and OpenAI? A reasonable explanation is they’re simply abstaining from the war of attrition, especially given cheaper comparable models are breaking the illusion that the “frontier of intelligence” has any kind of per token margin.

The subsidizing thing is repeated over and over without proof. Personally, I doubt they're actually subsidized.
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