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Re: Amid Increased Scrutiny, ICE Detention and Deportation Data Goes Dark

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Post by Tyrubias »

sedivy94 wrote: post #18
Johnny_Bonk wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the extremism causing all of this, three years ago we didn't have folks with legal right to work here being executed in the street, separated from their families, deported right after getting out of a hospital for life threatening illnesses... politicians calling other people subhuman, animals, all criminals.. odd you dont mention THAT extremism.

Americans’ apathy to your concerns and their support of this administration is a direct consequence of the emotional blackmail tactic you employ. I share some of your concerns, but also have an awareness that enforcing the law to correct for past immigration policy failures will be ugly. The emotional blackmail is a learned behavior fueled by social media campaigns that effectively traumatize the hell out of us by am…

I don’t think there’s any context that would make executing a father in front of his daughter and actively suppressing accountability any better. You might call it emotional blackmail, but many of us would consider it “pointing out basic human rights”.

Enforcing the law is not inherently good. It is only as good as the morality behind the law and the manner it which it is enforced. This administration and the forces backing it possess neither morality nor the ability to impartially enforce any of these laws.

Even if your insistence that asking for basic empathy encourages apathy is true, it only says something disturbing about the Americans supporting this administration. On that topic, polls have consistently shown that a majority of Americans do not approve of how the current immigration crackdown is being handled.

Re: Amid Increased Scrutiny, ICE Detention and Deportation Data Goes Dark

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Post by lenerdenator »

majorchord wrote: post #20
lenerdenator wrote: post #17

I don't think this will have the effect that the administration thinks it will. People aren't ignoring all of the things they have been up to. They're keeping track, regardless of the data that the government puts out. Still, the administration thinks people will just forget. In their minds, it will all simmer down, and since they now control the government, they can avoid consequences from voters and from the courts…

Most Americans have been ignoring it and doing nothing. All the protests to date are still quite far away from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule

Most Americans feel like there are still other routes to vent frustration. Memes, jokes, voting, public meetings, etc.

The administration seems to be focused on removing these junctures.

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Post by baggy_trough »

lenerdenator wrote: post #22
majorchord wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Americans have been ignoring it and doing nothing. All the protests to date are still quite far away from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule

Most Americans feel like there are still other routes to vent frustration. Memes, jokes, voting, public meetings, etc. The administration seems to be focused on removing these junctures.

Which of those has the administration been focused on removing? I can't think of any.

Re: Amid Increased Scrutiny, ICE Detention and Deportation Data Goes Dark

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Post by 0xy »

LocalH wrote: post #15
0xy wrote: post #4

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You keep referring to the freedom fighters as "extremists". The extremists are the ones infiltrating our government and turning it into the Fourth Reich.

Given the Dallas extremist slaughtered two ICE detainees, how many collateral bodies are you prepared to accept?

Re: Amid Increased Scrutiny, ICE Detention and Deportation Data Goes Dark

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Post by 0xy »

Johnny_Bonk wrote: post #8
0xy wrote: post #4

[flagged]

What about the extremism causing all of this, three years ago we didn't have folks with legal right to work here being executed in the street, separated from their families, deported right after getting out of a hospital for life threatening illnesses... politicians calling other people subhuman, animals, all criminals.. odd you dont mention THAT extremism.

Your critical error assuming that an Employment Authorization Document confers residency status when the document itself explicitly states it does not aside, no other Western country tolerates people overstaying visas, entering illegally or the massive identity theft that follows from people with no status stealing people's identity (sometimes leading to ruined lives for innocent people).

You would never call out the Dallas extremist accidentally mowing down two INNOCENT detainees because it's very inconvenient for your case, despite your entire argument purportedly being driven by care for these people (the same people that were collateral damage in Dallas).

Re: Amid Increased Scrutiny, ICE Detention and Deportation Data Goes Dark

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Post by 0xy »

Tyrubias wrote: post #21
sedivy94 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Americans’ apathy to your concerns and their support of this administration is a direct consequence of the emotional blackmail tactic you employ. I share some of your concerns, but also have an awareness that enforcing the law to correct for past immigration policy failures will be ugly. The emotional blackmail is a learned behavior fueled by social media campaigns that effectively traumatize the hell out of us by am…

I don’t think there’s any context that would make executing a father in front of his daughter and actively suppressing accountability any better. You might call it emotional blackmail, but many of us would consider it “pointing out basic human rights”. Enforcing the law is not inherently good. It is only as good as the morality behind the law and the manner it which it is enforced. This administration and the forces…

It is not a basic human right to enter a country illegally, or to overstay a visa. You also show absolutely no concern for human rights when an ICE activist mowed down two ICE detainees accidentally, tellingly so. You allegedly care about ICE detainees, but will happily ignore their deaths if they were slaughtered by an anti-ICE activist. It's not a good look, is it?

The activists also continually highlight the plight of people with sordid backgrounds, like Seamus Culleton. He was plastered throughout the media as a sympathetic deportee, until you also learn he was a wanted fugitive drug dealer in Ireland. Whoops, memory holed!

On the topic of polls, the vast majority of Americans support deportations. 56% of registered voters support deporting ALL illegal aliens. Not just criminals - ALL.

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Post by cmxch »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #5

First you try to record the ICE officers, then the ICE officers pepper spray you, then Alex Pretti steps in, then they tackle him, take his gun, and murder him in cold blood. Then the feds grab the evidence to make sure the investigation has as little to go on as humanly possible. Now this. The information lockdown continues apace.

He wasn’t murdered. He was prevented from murdering.

Re: Amid Increased Scrutiny, ICE Detention and Deportation Data Goes Dark

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Post by lenerdenator »

baggy_trough wrote: post #23
lenerdenator wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Americans feel like there are still other routes to vent frustration. Memes, jokes, voting, public meetings, etc. The administration seems to be focused on removing these junctures.

Which of those has the administration been focused on removing? I can't think of any.

Well, let's see here:

Voting: "When you think of it, we shouldn't even have an election" - Trump [0]

The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act, which Trump has been throwing fits about Congress not passing [1]

Memes: Admittedly, this one's far looser, as it's local law enforcement doing the arrest, not the federal government, but "Tennessee man jailed over anti-Trump meme suing sheriff, county" [2] It would be interesting to see if the sheriff was contacted by federal law enforcement over the post.

This one's not as loose, as the federal government is trying to uncover the identity of a Reddit poster who has criticized ICE [3]

Jokes: Suspension of Jimmy Kimmel Live! after host's monologue [4]

Public meetings: National Security Presidential Memorandum-7 [5], though that links to a much larger collection of information on Trump's actions directed at civil society.

[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2026/01/15/trump-s...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safeguard_American_Voter_Eligi...

[2] https://augustafreepress.com/news/tennessee-man-jailed-over-...

[3] https://www.engadget.com/social-media/the-us-government-want...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_Jimmy_Kimmel_Liv...!

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSPM-7

Re: Amid Increased Scrutiny, ICE Detention and Deportation Data Goes Dark

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Post by autoexec »

majorchord wrote: post #20
lenerdenator wrote: post #17

I don't think this will have the effect that the administration thinks it will. People aren't ignoring all of the things they have been up to. They're keeping track, regardless of the data that the government puts out. Still, the administration thinks people will just forget. In their minds, it will all simmer down, and since they now control the government, they can avoid consequences from voters and from the courts…

Most Americans have been ignoring it and doing nothing. All the protests to date are still quite far away from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule

Four of the five largest protests in American history have been against this administration. None them have involved 3.5% of all 330+ million of us, but people haven't been "ignoring it and doing nothing" either.

Re: Amid Increased Scrutiny, ICE Detention and Deportation Data Goes Dark

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Post by autoexec »

jb1991 wrote: post #11

That's alright, I've been counting them myself to keep track, since I knew other sources of the data would eventually disappear. So far, eight people have been deported.

> I've been counting them myself to keep track, since I knew other sources of the data would eventually disappear. So far, eight people have been deported.

If only 8 people have been deported so far that would mean American children would make up half of your list. Just in 2025 50,000 people were deported to Guatemala alone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNICf0Nd3BM)

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