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ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

#51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that everyone doesn't know this to be false. A substantial portion of the population "knows" it to be true.

The problem is that if you look with an inquisitive eye without having a preference on the outcome there's no way to tell because of the margins in just a few districts, all that is sure is that the Constitution was followed and the valid electors chose the President (which is a major reason why it is designed that way).

Despite what people say, absence of evidence is evidence of absence, if you've gone looking for the evidence and it's something that you should find if the claim is true. There's a bunch of evidence we'd expect to see if there was enough cheating to swing the election, and we don't see it. All we have is evidence of some pathetic attempts by the actual loser to overturn things.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that everyone doesn't know this to be false. A substantial portion of the population "knows" it to be true.

The problem is that if you look with an inquisitive eye without having a preference on the outcome there's no way to tell because of the margins in just a few districts, all that is sure is that the Constitution was followed and the valid electors chose the President (which is a major reason why it is designed that way).

What do you mean "there's no way to tell because of the margins in a few districts"?

Anybody looking with an inquisitive eye and no preference for the outcome reaches an extremely strong concision, that there was no voter fraud that could have influenced the outcome.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

#53

Well there's obviously at least some amount of fraud and a lot of people with eyes on it so finding it seems like the best course of action at the moment, mostly due to the latter since millions of people trusting the elections is pretty important AND if they are verifiably secure it prevents people from running their mouth about it and swaying anyone to distrust them (had to get ahead of it). But really if you compa…

So much of this noise tho bakes in the assumption that we weren’t already doing voter fraud detection. If my parents are a decent gauge, this is the entire lie the right wing is trying to push: that there has never been rails against voter fraud. That there isn’t a massive amount of machinery already preventing it. And, by acting like “oh now we’re doing something” and ignoring prior work it allows them to put on a captivating dog and pony show for the base that desperately wants to believe the elections are rigged.

It would be like declaring “we are taking the big step of installing smoke alarms in every school in America!” when there are already smoke alarms in every school. You just want the political noise for a base that is too dumb to realize you’re not doing anything new.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Has this always been ICE responsibility?

ICE is less than 25 years old.

Of course, sorry but — rephrasing slightly for clarity — has it been their bailiwick since they were created? Like, is illegal voting an immigration law violation, or is this just Trump projecting a new responsibility onto his independently funded army?

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

#56
Our country is now a clown show

Heritage Foundation, you know those super-left liberals, already did this and found like a hundred votes max over a decade and most of those were pure accidents and not intentional fraud, certainly not able to sway elections even by accident

I previously felt there was a suitable purpose for a small tiny ICE like Obama-sized era

But now I'm with the abolish folks, it's 100% irredeemable and between them executing people without repercussions and a budget larger than many critical organizations, just delete them completely and start over.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

#57
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Pretty sure you're supposed to get a warrant to access private information. I don't know how we ended up in this place where somehow paying for info precludes the necessity to get a warrant a la flock, cell tower data, etc.

My understanding is it started at least from the aftermath of 9/11 and the Patriot Act. Though I wouldn't be surprised if it predates that.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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If you're a California resident, under the CCPA you can submit a request for Thomson Reuters to both provide you with and then delete any information they have collected about you. The state's even setup a nice portal to automate these requests across 600+ data brokers. https://privacy.ca.gov/drop/

Since they are working for the Federal government here, doesn’t the supremacy clause trump state law and allow them to deny / retain that data?

Is there a federal law with supremacy over the state law? My layperson’s understanding is that there would need to be something in existing federal law that forces retention. Not just some executive order, government contract, or executive policy.

A company could defy state law but they wouldn’t be protected from state level civil and criminal charges. There’s not much of a mechanism for the federal government to do anything about that.

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