I struggle to see any value in this when DeepSeek is still a thing.
multimodal + latency
Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber
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Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber
#42The silence is deafening.
Google watches over the last few months a flat out assault on the Pareto curve from American and Chinese companies. Release after release pushing the boundaries of frontier intelligence and price/performance.
And the response from arguably the biggest AI research labs in the world by headcount is Flash 3.6.
What do you do when you are given essentially unlimited resources and still find yourself falling behind?
Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber
#43It's a bit disheartening to see no comparison to other models here - and I'm not sure this pushes the curve anywhere. 3.6 flash is more expensive than GLM 5.2 - but seemingly worse, although this post is really light (lite?) on details. It seemed for a time that Google had finally gotten the ball rolling, but I'm doubting that more and more as time passes. We'll see what happens with 3.5 pro I suppose.
> really light (lite?) on
Light. Lite is product marketing seepage.
Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber
#44Are they comparing 3.6 Flash to 5.6 Luna and losing? That's ruff.
Why wouldn't they? Luna isn't a Flash model. OpenAI hasn't released a flash-equivalent model since gpt-oss-120b.
Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber
#45It is both less intelligent and more expensive than GLM-5.2, while being closed weight.
But they make up for it by shipping it late.
Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber
#46Pretty underwhelming, as expected honestly. I don't want to know what morale is like at DeepMind right now.
Especially when Google owns 15% of anthropic and serves them compute. Double especially when your boss (Hassibis) is also an early investor in Anthropic. Hell his NW might be more Anthropic than Google.
Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber
#47"We made 3.6/4 Pro, but it sucks, so this is the distilled model" vibes.
That’s the fear.
Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber
#48Google desperately needs to make some leadership changes within their Gemini team now that they've been surpassed by 3-5 open weight models and risk loosing frontier status all together in the near future.
Re: Gemini 3.6 Flash, 3.5 Flash-Lite, and 3.5 Flash Cyber
#49I keep saying this and people dont believe me, but I have b2b saas systems with actual agents running around the clock, and the performance/stability of the flash model is higher than most other models.
Meaning, its predictable with tool calls, wont spin off a million tools/do weird behavior, its reasonable. Even sonnet in a real world decision making scenario is not reliable, or will reason so long its incredibly expensive.
The benchmarks arent catching all the value, and most people have never actually ran an ai agent in a real context that matters